Detouche pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Detouche pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby koimaster » May 9th 2017, 10:58am

who was given this back in the mid 1800s by his parish members. He was an Abbot at a local monastery for many years. My father had this old watch and recently during a visit my 86 year old mother, she gave me this watch. The great uncle died about 110 years ago near Colmar, France. Lousy photos since the macro is not working as it should be.

Pink gold, porcelain dial, gold hands. Still working order.C. Detouche Pocketwatch







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Re: Old pocket watch belonging to my Great granduncle

Postby MKTheVintageBloke » May 9th 2017, 12:06pm

Gorgeous, but I think the watch was made some 30-40 years later than 1841. Stem-winding (and setting) system was patented by Adrien Philippe of Patek Philippe in 1842, only became popular in the 1850s. The 1860s still were the heyday of the key-wound movement.

This one is a typical "bar" layout, with the roots of its design in the Lepine V, which was the first "departure" from the radial layout of the Swiss and French generic movements. This particular layout was very popular with Swiss generic movement suppliers since the late 1870s, notably LeCoultre and FHF. This one looks like an FHF, and a fairly high-grade one, given the fine perlage on the base plate, lever escapement (the cheap versions had a cylinder escapement), and a mobile hairspring stud carrier.

I don't know how old was the original owner of the watch when he died, but if something like 70-80, then receiving the watch at the age of 40 or 50 would make perfect sense. A friend's grandfather, a Lutheran reverend, received a 14k gold Tavannes (Cyma) in a hunter case from the people of his parish, when he was about 40-50 (would have to ask him, I can't remember how old exactly was he). Guess that' the age, when a priest would have been with the members of his parish long enough for the people to give him such a gift.
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Re: Old pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby bobbee » May 10th 2017, 12:27am

A very handsome watch, with an unusual dial.
Did your relative have anything to do with the sea, or work closely with fishermen? I say this because the engraving looks like "Our Lady Of Navigators", a popular South American devotion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Navigators
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Re: Old pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby biglove » May 10th 2017, 4:57am

That is one neat watch. Jeebus, you guys' vintage knowledge is impressive. I swear I am just a typing monkey around this place. ;)
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Re: Old pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby Wasp » May 10th 2017, 5:29am

Family provenance is irreplaceable. Nice that future generations in the clan will get this.

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Re: Old pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby bobbee » May 10th 2017, 8:56am

biglove wrote:That is one neat watch. Jeebus, you vintage guy's knowledge is impressive. I swear I am just a typing monkey around this place. ;)


Fixed it for you! :Thumbsup:
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Re: Old pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby kevco » May 10th 2017, 9:16am

No words to describe.
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Re: Old pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby svaglic » May 10th 2017, 10:06am

What a neat watch and getting it passed down to you with the history of its original owner is so cool.
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Re: Old pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby MKTheVintageBloke » May 10th 2017, 11:35am

Just to elaborate on the point about the origins of that movement layout... Check the evolution of the Lepines here:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/standard-french-swiss-lepine-key-wound-calibers-19th-century-4274666.html#post41207618.
Posted a link to that here on WL in a separate thread upon having the thread posted on WUS.

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Radial layout Lepine IV, phot. WUSer SilkeN

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Lepine V, photo: SilkeN

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LeCoultre cal. 6 ebauche, image: Mikrolisk

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Re: Old pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby conjurer » May 10th 2017, 12:37pm

That's a fucking swell pocket watch and story!
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Re: Old pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby smellody » May 10th 2017, 3:35pm

Beautiful heirloom. Very, Very nice.
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Re: Old pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby TemerityB » May 10th 2017, 8:16pm

Things like this are what watch collecting should be about - it's not what a watch is "worth," it's what it's worth to you.

Great stuff.
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Re: Old pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby koimaster » June 5th 2017, 11:36am

Constantin-Louis Detouche he was the son of clockmaker Georges Detouche who founded Detouche Jewelers in Paris in 1803. http://www.lapendulerie.com/Detouche...rtistid=169426
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Re: Detouche pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby koimaster » July 18th 2018, 3:10pm

an example of the watchmakers work -

https://collection.maas.museum/object/171578

LloydB said:


I'm certain you must know... the
engraving on your case represents
the Immaculate Conception.

Sorry I can't add much about the
movement -- It's a pin-set Swiss
movement, and appears to be of
decent quality. It was made for
use in a French-speaking area
(no surprise there). I'd expect
it dates to the 1870/s...
Detouche founded his business in 1803 as you stated.
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Re: Detouche pocket watch belonging to my Great grand-uncle

Postby artman » July 18th 2018, 3:34pm

How did I miss this post the first time around? That's a great watch. Love the details and boy the resident Brits knowledgable, aren't they?
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