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Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby gerdson » August 25th 2013, 6:16am

Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches. Bezel has been refabricated. Dial has ageing patina and loss or paint due to use and age.Does run. Timing accuracy plus or minus 2 minutes. Replaced after market Band with unsigned buckle.


Sometimes You read stuff like that, and You think - oh, better not. On the other hand... :mrgreen:

I bought it mainly for the movement. Then let's see how bad the case and dial really look like. If interested, it is an early Grand Seiko:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/161083720790?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

Will keep You informed...
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby hcharles » August 25th 2013, 2:58pm

That's a lot of buffing!
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby gerdson » August 25th 2013, 4:08pm

No no, that's the normal wear :mrgreen:
I am more concerned about the edges. Well, let's wait and see.
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby hondaman » August 25th 2013, 4:27pm

Wow. Somebody buffed the hell out of that. I hope the rest of it looks better when you get it.
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby codguy » August 25th 2013, 6:20pm

Ouch. GLWP
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby gerdson » August 26th 2013, 12:23am

Now stop making me nervous! :o
The back is NOT buffed - look at old Constellations or Longines Conquests. The gold medaillons are often worn down. In fact, from the back, the lugs look nice enough. It is the top side of the lugs, that make me nervous...
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby conjurer » August 26th 2013, 8:20am

Jesus Christ, somebody really went to fucking town with the Cape Cod Cloths.
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby bigedsurf » August 26th 2013, 8:27am

conjurer wrote:Jesus Christ, somebody really went to fucking town with the Cape Cod Cloths.


and a belt sander........... :chump:
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby gerdson » August 26th 2013, 9:27am

bigedsurf wrote:
conjurer wrote:Jesus Christ, somebody really went to fucking town with the Cape Cod Cloths.


and a belt sander........... :chump:


Scru u ignoramped bastyrds... :?
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby conjurer » August 26th 2013, 9:37am

gerdson wrote:
bigedsurf wrote:
conjurer wrote:Jesus Christ, somebody really went to fucking town with the Cape Cod Cloths.


and a belt sander........... :chump:


Scru u ignoramped bastyrds... :?


Here's another thing to make you nervous:

http://professionalwatches.com/2013/08/ ... ko-th.html
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby gerdson » August 26th 2013, 9:46am

Scheisse.
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby conjurer » August 26th 2013, 10:08am

gerdson wrote:Scheisse.


Yup.
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby gerdson » August 26th 2013, 10:13am

conjurer wrote:
gerdson wrote:Scheisse.


Yup.


Ach. Me, I try to look at the bright side. At least a glossy polished watch is bright in the sun. Plus my watchmaker wouldn't faint if I brought him a broken mainspring. The dial is the bigger problem. And I still need to see this "Bezel has been refabricated" thing.
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Postby codguy » August 26th 2013, 12:40pm

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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby Mortuus » August 26th 2013, 3:45pm

Bitte sagen Sie mir, dass du es nicht warst, der diese Auktion gewonnen ... :shock:
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby DBCooper » August 26th 2013, 5:30pm



Dayum! Very interesting indeed. Thanks for the link.
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby Kahuna74 » August 26th 2013, 5:39pm

Wow after reading that I might have to go with a different next watch than a Seiko ;(
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Postby jason_recliner » August 26th 2013, 6:10pm

It sure is shiny!
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby gerdson » August 26th 2013, 11:46pm

All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost...

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring...
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby conjurer » August 27th 2013, 12:19am

gerdson wrote:All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost...

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring...


Jesus Christ, what a beautiful poem!
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby gerdson » August 27th 2013, 12:57am

conjurer wrote:
gerdson wrote:All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost...

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring...


Jesus Christ, what a beautiful poem!


Thank You so much, Sire! Of course I do not want to claim authorship, and I do regret I could only post a small part of it. Please find the full version here:
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/All_that_is_Gold_Does_Not_Glitter
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby gerdson » August 29th 2013, 10:11am

The watch has arrived. It is running, mainspring is at least not broken - I do hit a block when winding up. The movement looks rather clean, no severe scratches. The amplitude is ridiculously bad - this thing needs at least a cleaning, hopefully not more.

Now for the rest... I can't post any pics today, my camera battery just went dead - please wait until tomorrow. However it has not been polished to death, by no means. The case looks quite nice! Ok, the golden medaillon is a bit worn - I will post pic's for comparison tomorrow.

The dial... if I could find someone who can reprint a Grand Seiko dial, it would be nice. I do have an adress in Japan, but these guys normally don't communicate well in English... let's see.

The glass needs to be replaced (again) - the chrome ring is too big, and looks too "cheap".

The "Bezel has been refabricated" thing turned out to be acceptable. The form is not 100% like the original (again - wait for pic's tomorrow), but close enough.

Well, probably not my wisest move... :lol:
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby Mortuus » August 29th 2013, 1:22pm

I hope you're able to do all that without spending thousands of dollars. I've gone down that road a time or two, and in the end, the results just didn't justify the cost. Still, it wasn't a Seiko Grand, so maybe I'm just full of malarkey. Please keep the updates coming...
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby gerdson » August 30th 2013, 12:29am

Mortuus wrote:I hope you're able to do all that without spending thousands of dollars. I've gone down that road a time or two, and in the end, the results just didn't justify the cost. Still, it wasn't a Seiko Grand, so maybe I'm just full of malarkey. Please keep the updates coming...


Thanks, oh great Mort! Thou art a true understander of my pains and worries... On some occasions it has been worth it (did I ever tell You about that Certina Argonaut Chrono?), sometimes clearly not. I am not even talking about value versus money spent, but what You likely mean: The result is just not worth it, it does simply not turn out nice enough. Don't know yet, where this one will take me.

The case back:
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The golden medaillon is actually worn through in a couple of places - I am still fine with that, the outlines are clearly visible. Will show it to a jeweler, but I don't think I will do anything about it.

The case itself is ok. Not polished too much, actually the watchmaker tried to bring back some of the brushing of the surface. Here You can see the bezel ring that he made. Good enough - it has the original "plateau" around the glas. The flank is round, but should be straight - other than that, I am fine with it:
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The movement. It ran overnight, loosing 2 minutes. I had it on my timer yesterday evening, where I could see it was running slow, and finally the timer gave up, because of the low amplitude (??? just didn't pick up a worthy signal, as it seems - didn't have a lot of time for investigations. But even with bare eye it was obvious, that this was not swinging very far from peak to peak).
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The dial is giving me the most headache.
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Scratches and loss of print everywhere. The "Seiko" emblem not sitting straight. The ring of the glas is too wide, it covers the minute markings (or what is left of them)...

I will try to find time to take it to my watchmaker later today. And I need to contact these Japs in order to ask if they could do the dial (see lowest link).

For reference:
http://www.roachman.com/private.html
http://www.iishop.co.jp/seikovfa27292largeinen.htm
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Re: Case has been rebuffed to remove scratches...

Postby 3Flushes » August 30th 2013, 2:19am

Somebody sure took the 'ol Fordham to that baby didn't they? It will be a beaut by the time you're done with it. Dials are a pain in the ass. Maybe you'll be fortunate and Seiko will do the redo. There was a guy in Oregon who did a really nice job on a couple of dials for me but he retired to Costa Rica. I have an old Zenith era Movado in desperate need of a dial job and haven't found anyone that wants to redo a black lacquer dial with the signature and Swiss mark preserved. Good luck with yours; looking forward to seeing the final product when you're done with it. If you hear of any great dial people in your travels for this watch, please let me know.
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