THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

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THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby koimaster » August 12th 2010, 4:49pm

HISTORY OF INVICTA

INVICTA was trademarked as a watch, parts, boxes, and packaging brand name by Les Fils De R. Picard, of La Chaux de Fonds, Switzerland, (founded in 1837) in 1896. By 1911 the name INVICTA was included in the companys' name. Invicta was still trading in the 1960's. The company also traded under the names Seeland Watch Co and Eno Watch Co.

INVICTA

Invicta was founded in 1837 as R. Picard. In 1896, "Invicta" and "Telescope" were registered for watches.

"Ads for both Invicta and Seeland in 1922 mentioned a Gold Medal won by the firm in 1914 at the Swiss Exhibition in Berne."

"FILS DE R. PICARD & CIE, INVICTA, was listed from 1920 to 1925. Another firm which they were associated with, SEELAND, was listed in 1920 for thin watches at the same address as INVICTA. SEELAND was listed in 1923 both as SEELAND ATELIER DE TERMINAGES and as SEELAND WATCH CO."

"In 1940, INVICTA was imported to the US by Morris Hoffman, Invicta-Seeland Inc., New York."

In 1967, SEELAND became ISECA SA, La Chaux de Fonds.

In 1970, INVICTA and Waltham were financially integrated.

In 1982, ISECA SA was withdrawn from the Register of Commerce by decision of the shareholders.

In 1986, INVICTA was listed as a brand of ONDIX SA.





SEELAND

SEELAND appears to have been founded by Frederic Seeland, the American manager of IWC, who left there in 1879. It registered "SWC" in 1896. In 1902, it became JUDITH & CO. and in 1913, back to SEELAND WATCH CO.

The history of co-habitation with INVICTA is as above, by in 1937 the company changed its name to INVICTA SA.



http://irhomdeys.blogspot.com/2009/08/vintage-seeland-quadramatic-bumper.html



Documentation

Brunner and Pfeiffer-Belli, Swiss Wristwatches (page 138) shows an INVICTA ad for a "Secontrol" for physicians, nurses, engineers, sportsmen, and foremen [not recommended for military use?]. It lists for contacts: Invicta-Seeland Inc, New York, established 1837 and Invicta SA fondee en 1837.

On page 124, they show a Seeland "Time Log Watch" with chronograph, Invicta, 1940 and a Seeland "Secontrol" with controllable second hand, Invicta, 1940. The "Time Log Watch" looks like this with what I think is a Landeron 48. I'm guessing "Bernley" is a UK or US jeweler




And what really happened to Invicta Montre SA which is the company founded by Mr. Piccard? OOPS! It does not exist anymore. Invicta Watch Group with a made up history unless Eyal can prove me wrong. I dare him to.

Show us the drawings, shipping labels or orders for the 1959 Russian Diver you and your company claim to have made for :

Behind door #1....... Russian Divers
Behind door #2....... Russian Officers
Behind door #3.......Russian Officers who were divers Image


Show us the Swiss Factories which you have never had...
Show us the contract you had with Dubois-Depraz
Show us the appraisal of those "diamond accents"

I could go on for hours like this quoting the lies, deceptions, mis-directions. But I digress.....

Eyal, you and your buddy and employee the MD 20.20 and the Corona Gorda man are full of crap.




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As to Sector, they claimed Invicta as part of the Company until 2002, which blows the claims Invicta makes out of the water. IWG came around from latin america when Opera Funding aka Bulgari Group purchased sector. Opera Funding takes companies public ans as such one has to wonder if there is any involvement by them in the funding of IWG.





For those who doubt my statement about the previous Sector/Invicta relationship the press release is below from 2001 and I have yet to see a sales agreement between Opera and IWG. I have asked three times for information about the relationship and each time informed it could not be disclosed.


http://www.fhs.swiss/eng/2001-08-30_113.html
http://www.fhs.swiss/eng/2002-09-12_187.html


http://www.fhs.ch/en/news/news.php?id=113














The investment company Opera, created by the Bulgari Group, which is also its main investor, has taken over the Sector Group and turned it into a new structure, a Luxembourg holding company bearing the name of Quadrante. Shareholdings in the capital of this holding company are distributed as follows: 77 % for Opera, 15 % for Tetragon Partners (Luxembourg investment company), 5 % for the Giardiello family (founder of Sector) and 3 % for Enrico Ceccato, the new Manager Director of Quadrante. The aim of this transaction, representing around 160 million francs, is to give a boost to all of the group's own brands or those under license, and to develop business in international markets.

Enrico Ceccato has extensive professional experience. He was formerly the President and CEO of Direct Spa, Manager and COO of the Autogrill Group, Managing Director of Fila Italia and Vice-President of Killer Loop (Benetton Group).

Members of the Quadrante board include Francesco Trapani and Silvio Ursini, respectively Chairman of the Board of Directors and Marketing Director of Bulgari, Renato Preti and Magnolia Albertazzi for the management of Opera, Stefano Bonfiglio for Tetragon Partners and Filippo Giardiello.

The new strategic plan envisages consolidation of the Group's leading position in Italy and its international revival through the growth of existing brands and new license agreements with some of the most prestigious brands, as well as through new acquisitions.

With a turnover of around 150 million francs, the Sector Group is one of Italy's leading sports watch suppliers. Represented in around 50 countries, it also sells famous brands such as Philip Watch, Chronostar and the collection of watches designed by Roberto Cavalli. Mode, Invicta and Lucien Rochat are among the other brands on its roster.
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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby Guest » August 12th 2010, 5:32pm

wow, thanks for the research! IVE been off and on looking for just that for awhile.......yer da best Koi.
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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby boscoe » August 12th 2010, 5:42pm

The current Invicta's heritage is as bogus as the watches
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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby Darksider » August 12th 2010, 10:12pm

Hi. I have a golden SEELAND pocket watch from my father. I have no idea of when they were produced and of their approximate cost. I would be so grateful if you guys would help me out... There is a text engraved on the inside of the cover that says in russian

"To tovarisch Huchidze N.G. from National Defence Commissar of USSR, Moscow, 22.03.1936". The "National Defence Comissar of USSR" at the time of the inscription (1936) was Voroshilov K. that is a very famous person in the history of Soviet Union, one of the most important revolutionists. There is a Voroshilov street in Moscow.


I think they were made earlier because i doubt that the comissar bought them somewhere in Switzerland or else as a present to some tovarisch due to the realities of USSR, I think that it is a part of property taken away from the aristocracy during the the Russian revolution in 1917, but this is just a conjecture. There is also a "579" number there, but i believe its a hallmark.

If that is interesting for anyone, please contact me and i will send you pictures for futher investigation. Anyway i will try to upload pics here.

My email: biragovvladimir@rambler.ru

Any information would be so important for me.
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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby koimaster » October 1st 2010, 12:29pm

:eyalloooo:


And now the real story for newbies and lurkers
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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby BigCheez » October 25th 2010, 11:24am

Invicta has as much actual connection with the REAL company founded by Piccard as...

Chinese-made PACKARD BELL computers have with The Packard automobile or Alexander Graham Bell!
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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby boscoe » October 25th 2010, 11:54am

Okay, here's the real story.
Invicta was founded by Jean Luc Picard when The Enterprise was slingshoted through a Black Hole. In a ironic humorous twist, Picard decided to found a watch company - because he was a time traveller. Years later, he seduced the brave and feisty woman who has become known as O'Whora - aka Grandma Lalo - matriarch of the Russian brand of the clan
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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby TemerityB » January 11th 2011, 7:09am

I realize this is many months old, but this might be your best post ever. Thanks for the solid information - you know, the kind of stuff you can never get on that fanboi site.
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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby koimaster » May 30th 2013, 6:49pm

RAUL GARCIA




Director

•JC INGENIERIA, S.A.
•CONSORCIO OLINCE PANAMA, S.A.
•REGAR, S.A.
•INVERSIONES EVEN YEHUDA,S.A.
•CENTRAL AMERICAN SERVICES, INC.
INVICTA WATCH LATIN AMERICA, S.A.•VIGAR S.A
•ARTIME S.P.A.
ONDIX, S.A.•ARQMAJA, S.A.
SURA COIFMAN INDUSTRIES, S.A.
•NICOLAS INTERNATIONAL, S.A.
•SIMON COIFMAN INDUSTRIES, INC.
•RIVKA, S.A.
AGENCIA PANAMEöA DE CARGA, S.A.
•HACIENDA HERMANOS SAN FERRINI, S.A.
•BARCAR INTERNATIONAL INC
•NUESTRO JARDIN, S.A.
•GLOBAL SOFTWARE INTERNATIONAL CORP
•SEGURIDAD EL NAZARENO, S.A.
•RODA SHIPPING INVESTMENT INC.
•ISKENDER, S. A.
•INVICTA, S.A.•RELCAR, S.A.
•IMPORTADORA JIN JET, S.A.
•MONFORTE, S.A.
•MBC MIAMI BUSINESS CORPORATION S.A.
•BLUE BERRY HOLDINGS, S.A.

http://watchlords.forumotion.net/t21060-agencia-panameoa-de-carga-sa-invicta-and-the-panama-connection



And who does he a business relationship with?

Eyal and Abe Lalo

http://ohuiginn.net/panama/company/id/424012




More here

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f71/history-invicta-seeland-watches-519880-2.html#post3802793
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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby Balbern » July 11th 2013, 12:27am

This is great idea to know all this history. Thanks. I have a specialty invicta ..
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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby koimaster » January 7th 2014, 1:00am

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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby kevco » January 7th 2014, 7:09am

koimaster wrote::cv6fri:


Fucking hilarious :hool:
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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby koimaster » December 16th 2016, 4:09pm

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f71/histor ... 19880.html


From that thread above - This guy trolled quite a bit but never responded to my request that he disprove my claims. Funny thing is two of my posts were deleted which had the information he asked for. I was told by a mod that "personal information" about corporate officers was not allowed.


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Koi,

No one is attempting to dispute any hard facts which you present. All the history is fine. But, what you do not present are the details. You do not show the officers of the various incarnations of Invicta and Seeland (if you think they are one and the same or of the same ownership group) from the 1950's era but proclaim that for some reason his g-mother or g-father are NOT in those groups. Obviously, they could be. Were they is my question to you.

Since you are proclaiming as fact that none of family of Eyal were part of the 1959 RD story (and I have no idea whatsoever if they were or were not) then you really do need to know whom the personnel were from the 1950's in the various incarnations of Invicta and Seeland, dont you? Otherwise, you are just guessing, arent you.

I dont see where your proclamations are any more or less valid than those of Eyal except that Eyal does run a watch company and did make the statement numerous times regarding the RD story.

If you want to debuke Eyal you should at least have the names of the personnel or officers in charge of Invicta and Seeland during those times in question. Otherwise, I do not see where your claims are substantiated on a factual basis.

It is fairly obvious that you do not want to go through the time and effort to obtain this information, if it is even obtainable at this point in time. I dont blame you. But, since you continue to make this claim that Eyal is fabricating this story then it really is your responsibility to PROVE what you are stating, not Eyal. Eyal has made his claim. I think it is innocent until proven guilty in this country, more or less.

Since I have asked you for this information in my last three or four posts then I will assume you either do not have this information, are not willing to invest the time in finding this information, or just dont have the ability or means to obtain it due to the duration of time since it happened.

No offense on your part. I personally would not go around stating something which I could not prove but obviously you feel differently and feel you have proven this (not sure why?).

As I stated three or four posts ago.....concerning the RD..... it was a long time ago. It it going to be very difficult to prove one way or another whether or not this did or did not happen as most of the parties involved in all the companies are dead.

Since you cannot actually prove what you are claiming; it does appear you are attempting to claim sour grapes and insist Eyal prove what he says is true. Bad form on your part, IMO.
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Re: THE REAL HISTORY OF INVICTA & SEELAND WATCHES

Postby koimaster » December 16th 2016, 4:28pm

http://www.fhs.swiss/eng/2002-09-12_187.html

last paragraph relates to Invicta being owned by Sector at one time.

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From 2001

http://www.fhs.swiss/eng/2001-08-30_113.html

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