Eyal comes clean on the NE78A Bait and Switch Scam

[WatchDorks.Net]

I don't care where its made or that it keeps time. If it sings to me I buy it.

Yeah, well in this case, it's singing like Yoko Ono... *SCREECH* *SCREECH*

[JtN©]

Ya know with it not being what they said it was now it is really nothing more than just another Asian made chronograph movement in a watch that is now way way way way way way way way way way way way way overpriced for an Asian chronograph.

With that simple plain Asian chronograph movement it should have never been more than $149. I think Eyal had this planned from the beginning to go down like this and he needed to do that so that he could make up for some past serious profit losses due to other major screwed up design flaws in other watches.

[eddiea]

The really astounding thing is that nobody's going to give a shit about this except--well, us.

Is no big deal man ...a few thousand BPM's more or less, who's counting? makes no diferences anyway, considering the watches are going to fall apart anyway in fine Invicta style.

[koimaster]

Just simply amazing, yet another thing the Geeks will openly accept as an honest mistake.

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That's cool. Thanks for the update.
Where did the confusion of 36,000 VPH originate anyway?

Today, 01:51 PM

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Thanks Eyal that clears things up a bit. Is there a reason why the chrono hand mimmicks a quartz? Thanks.

Today, 02:10 PM

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***NE78A Detail Specs Calcs and Updates***
Thanks for the informative update re: the NEW SII Caliber NE78A movement. Have a good one.

Today, 02:27 PM

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Wow bpm r the same as Val 7750. But the price is certainly less

I can live with that
I'm n now on the 2 tone

Today, 03:25 PM

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Thanks for the update, Eyal!

More slurping to come...

[eddiea]

Ya know with it not being what they said it was now it is really nothing more than just another Asian made chronograph movement in a watch that is now way way way way way way way way way way way way way overpriced for an Asian chronograph.
With that simple plain Asian chronograph movement it should have never been more than $149. I think Eyal had this planned from the beginning to go down like this and he needed to do that so that he could make up for some past serious profit losses due to other major screwed up design flaws in other watches.

I'm at a lost here JtN they are many Asian made chronos out there that will give the best Swiss made samples, a run for their money....can you please, elaborate a bit.

[JtN©]

It is nothing more than an Asian made watch with a round black carbon fiber dial with luminous Tritnite index markers in all hour positions, Tritnite hour, minute and chronograph hands point out the time with ease, a seconds subdial near 2:00, an hour subdial near 6:00 and a minute subdial near 10:00 and an extended date window that appears from 4:00 to 5:00.

It is no longer anything special at all other than a now way way way way way way way way way way way way way overpriced Asian watch.

[Guest]

The really astounding thing is that nobody's going to give a shit about this except--well, us.

Sadly, you are correct in your assessment! The truth be told though, the Invicta machine is laughing at both sides on this. If WG's is considered the sheep and WL's is considered the wolves...they win both going and coming. Perhaps one day justice will prevail and IWG will get theirs. At least many of you guys are fighting the good fight of holding them to the fire. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if in this case they policed themselves before Koi and others found it out. After all, it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. How ironic that this information surfaces after the initial first push and excitement has now faded for this new movement and most of the money is banked!
Keep fighting the good fight!!!!

[Guest]

I wouldn't be surprised if in this case they policed themselves before Koi and others found it out. After all, it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. How ironic that this information surfaces after the initial first push and excitement has now faded for this new movement and most of the money is banked!
Keep fighting the good fight!!!!

There may be a lot of truth in this statement, but I think they are also very concerned about being outed and embarrassed at Basel over this, in front of the entire horological world (not that both won't still happen).

[Mark]

Hank would have cared.. Although I am sure he is banned since no one posted a response from him to this thread

[OTMF]

Hank would have cared.. Although I am sure he is banned since no one posted a response from him to this thread

"Homage Hank", (hcirus), it doesn't look like he is banned yet. Last Activity: Today 05:18 AM

[Guest]

I wouldn't be surprised if in this case they policed themselves before Koi and others found it out. After all, it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. How ironic that this information surfaces after the initial first push and excitement has now faded for this new movement and most of the money is banked!
Keep fighting the good fight!!!!

There may be a lot of truth in this statement, but I think they are also very concerned about being outed and embarrassed at Basel over this, in front of the entire horological world (not that both won't still happen).

Good point....I still can't get my brain around Invicta and Basel.....

[eddiea]

It is nothing more than an Asian made watch with a round black carbon fiber dial with luminous Tritnite index markers in all hour positions, Tritnite hour, minute and chronograph hands point out the time with ease, a seconds subdial near 2:00, an hour subdial near 6:00 and a minute subdial near 10:00 and an extended date window that appears from 4:00 to 5:00.
It is no longer anything special at all other than a now way way way way way way way way way way way way way overpriced Asian watch.

I see.... Somehow I understood in your previous post, that you were generalizing all Asian made chrono movements/watches as the same (which is not the case)........ this particular one, is an Invicta...that means, it have an excellent chance to become a POS regarless of what movement they are using, no doubt.

[Bourbon City]

Invicta, you never cease to amaze and dissapoint us with your antics. All I can say is shame on you Invicta, shame on you.

Eyal, it is time you step down. You are ruining the Company.

bc

[Darksider]

The really astounding thing is that nobody's going to give a shit about this except--well, us.

Sadly, you are correct in your assessment! The truth be told though, the Invicta machine is laughing at both sides on this. If WG's is considered the sheep and WL's is considered the wolves...they win both going and coming. Perhaps one day justice will prevail and IWG will get theirs. At least many of you guys are fighting the good fight of holding them to the fire. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if in this case they policed themselves before Koi and others found it out. After all, it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. How ironic that this information surfaces after the initial first push and excitement has now faded for this new movement and most of the money is banked!
Keep fighting the good fight!!!!

On March 2nd they were outed for good by responses from Seiko and TMI. The absurd claims that this movement was more expensive than a Valjoux 7750 was and is bullshit and should be called just that. It is a modified NE20 movement. The patting on the back over there is sickening. Well it does 28,000 just like a 7750! Hey bunnies, there are a lot of movements that are 28,000vbh. Chinese movements, Japanese movements, German, Swiss. You purchased a hyped up Asian movement in what used to be an all Swiss Reserve line. Demand your money back and stop kissing the ass of IWG for christ's sake. Grow a set of balls and a spine.

http://watchlords.forumotion.net/t9007-seiko-sii-ne78a

[DBCooper]

28,000 vph still doesn't explain the chrono seconds hand.

[conjurer]

28,000 vph still doesn't explain the chrono seconds hand.

A good point. It jerked around like Michael Davis with the jake leg.

[eddiea]

28,000 vph still doesn't explain the chrono seconds hand.

Agree, the stuttering of the chrono hand is sadly the in your face kind.....
And like I said above, regardless of the movement, Invicta will find the way to fuck it up.

[Falstaff]

Geek responses seem to be pretty subdued. Nobody claiming they were ripped off, nobody demanding an investigation, just sort of a general "oh well (sigh)". Imaginary example: "Another one of the flock just got snatched by a wolf!!" "Oh well (sigh)."

[Guest]

I imagine Eyal in Cancun with he's shirt off eating chicken wings and counting he's money. I rack them geeks good Boy Nom Nom Nom

[koimaster]

Open publication - Free publishing

[Bigjimzlll]

This isn't just some little oops. This was a calculated con. The 36,000 was the whole selling point. Bunch of second rate scammers.

[TemerityB]

As someone who suffers from a wee bit of hypertension, I read those WGs response and my head wants to explode like in the sci-fi "classic" Scanners.

They only get more unbelievable over there.

[Guest]

As someone who suffers from a wee bit of hypertension, I read those WGs response and my head wants to explode like in the sci-fi "classic" Scanners.

They only get more unbelievable over there.

This might help:

Today, 12:50 AM

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Seriously....why does Invicta keep on claiming things that's not correct and then when enough arguments are raised all over watch forums, then a "clarification thread" comes up correcting the initial claims.

It has happened in the past with FF, Tritnite, Swiss Made controversy, sandstone dials, etc.

For once, please stop claiming things which are not.......its no surprise most people outside ShopNBC circle and this forum, will never touch any Invicta by a mile.

As much as I defend this brand on other watch forums, these things don't help in any way.

To think people unknowingly believed this was a "v7750 equivalent".

On top of that, I believe Jim mentioned that this movement may have been more expensive to implement than V7750. Any links to support that?

Thanks.

[TVDinner]

The value to these ongoing lies, or purposeful 1/2 truths made only to pump up sales figures - is that a few people each time wake up and see the scam that has been slapping them in the face for months (or years). So while each lie sucks and further proves that Invicta is not a brand worthy of our money - it also wakes up others and drives them to seeing the light and moving on to other watch brands.

For the few hundred blind followers on WG, who would continue to buy the brand even if a representative from Invicta broke into their homes and stole money from their children's piggy banks - they are hopeless sheep.

[eddiea]

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Noticed that Uncle Eyal failed to disclose if the movement have a 45 hours power reserve with the chrono on...this is important for two reasons, first because it needs to be disclosed for the sake of know what you getting as a consumer and for comparison purposes, secondly because it is already a geek (I'm sure will be more) comparing the NE78A with the Seiko 8R28 (use in the Brightz Phoenix Chronograph among others)
The 8R28 is entirely made in Japan by Seiko (SII) Morioka Watch Atelier , Morioka make and manufacture most high grade Seiko mechanical movements today and I seriously doubt it Invicta will have access to Japan only watch technology.

http://www.morioka-seiko.co.jp/Eng/atelier.html

Like the NE78A the 8R28 have 34 jewels, that been said, the mainspring of the 8R28 uses Seiko's in house SPRON 510 rated at 45 hours power reserve with the chronograph running. So I would like to know, what kind of mainspring the NE78A have? where are the complete specs?
The 8R28 is a much higher-end chrono movement that the 7750 and more expensive too... wonder if they want to imply in typical Invicta bullshit that both, the NE78A and 8R28 are the same...noticed that it was no reply to the geek sugesting just that.