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Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 4:19pm
by Watch Noob
Now that the Sandstone myth has been officially busted, it makes me think more and more about this so called Gibeon Meteroite.
I've done In-Lay injection molding in the past which is still very popular today. We have used foils of various designs/colors and shoot plastic behind them for decorative applications. The Meteroite dial would be a piece of cake to duplicate. just sayin....

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 4:48pm
by koimaster
Watch Noob wrote:Now that the Sandstone myth has been officially busted, it makes me think more and more about this so called Gibeon Meteroite.
I've done In-Lay injection molding in the past which is still very popular today. We have used foils of various designs/colors and shoot plastic behind them for decorative applications. The Meteroite dial would be a piece of cake to duplicate. just sayin....



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Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 4:57pm
by Mark1
Watch Noob wrote:Now that the Sandstone myth has been officially busted, it makes me think more and more about this so called Gibeon Meteroite.
I've done In-Lay injection molding in the past which is still very popular today. We have used foils of various designs/colors and shoot plastic behind them for decorative applications. The Meteroite dial would be a piece of cake to duplicate. just sayin....


Well if the methodology Noob mentioned involves aluminum foils it may be easy to test. The Gibeon meteorite is made up of 90% iron, 8% nickel. If anyone has a meteorite dial it would have much different magnetic properties than aluminum. It may be possible to disassemble a watch enough to check this without damaging the watch.

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 5:00pm
by iwasbanned

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 5:09pm
by mrneddles
Koi, I personally pledge $100 towards the purchase of a "meteorite" Invicta to have the dial examined by an expert. Just pm where to paypal the money.


Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 6:40pm
by Bigjimzlll
Yea...this could definitely pass for Gibeon
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Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 6:49pm
by Watch Noob
what is that Jim? It does look like Meterorite

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 6:52pm
by Bigjimzlll
Watch Noob wrote:what is that Jim? It does look like Meterorite

As the supply of quality Gibeon meteorites has dried up over the past few years, there appears to be a disconcerting trend of some individuals offering the Rust-Prone 'Muonionalusta' meteorites as stable "Gibeon" meteorites. Muonionalusta meteorites looks superficially similar to Gibeon when cut and etched, however, in our experience they tend to be much more prone to rusting, much more common and much, much cheaper. Muonionalusta is what we refer to as a "Ruster" meteorite. When made into jewelry, Muonionalusta is often so unstable that it needs to be plated with some precious metal to temporarily keep it from rusting away. Buyer beware


Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 7:06pm
by phephner
Bigjimzlll wrote:Yea...this could definitely pass for Gibeon
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Eyal was just saying, "Someone find me something else to use on a watch dial that I can lie about. The truth bores me so."

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 7:14pm
by iwasbanned
Bigjimzlll wrote:
Watch Noob wrote:what is that Jim? It does look like Meterorite

As the supply of quality Gibeon meteorites has dried up over the past few years, there appears to be a disconcerting trend of some individuals offering the Rust-Prone 'Muonionalusta' meteorites as stable "Gibeon" meteorites. Muonionalusta meteorites looks superficially similar to Gibeon when cut and etched, however, in our experience they tend to be much more prone to rusting, much more common and much, much cheaper. Muonionalusta is what we refer to as a "Ruster" meteorite. When made into jewelry, Muonionalusta is often so unstable that it needs to be plated with some precious metal to temporarily keep it from rusting away. Buyer beware



in our experience they tend to be much more prone to rusting, much more common and much, much cheaper. Muonionalusta is what we refer to as a "Ruster" meteorite. When made into jewelry, Muonionalusta is often so unstable that it needs to be plated with some precious metal to temporarily keep it from rusting away.


HMMMM..... only invicta has figured out how to plate Gibeon at the molecular level of course.

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 7:19pm
by Horse Feathers
One of the WatchGeeks decided to make a few alternative dials for his RD from those small Formica samples (the ones holed punched on a chain)

Little did he know how close he was to the true material - LOL

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Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 7:32pm
by OTMF
Nothing to add, but
I just want to be subscribed to this thread

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 8:23pm
by Guest
DIAMANTE wrote:
DX wrote:Refunds for all who got lied to?


I would venture to say that those who bought these watches are probably happy with them and don't want a refund - even if they know deep down inside they got hosed. LOL!

D


It is sad but I think you are right and a good number will do exactly as you say and go even further with posts and talks with friends stating how different and cool this watch is. Also, it is human nature to go into a denial mode when something bad happens. And this kind of B-Fkng is, really bad. But not all will stick by the brand. There will be some that are new to Invicta and will be the "burn me twice, it's my fault" group and they will cut and run, never to return. There will be others that wanted to believe ad did believe in those frauds and after being lied to over and over, will not cut and run.

Remember, there are (self included) a bunch of former Invicta fans in here. No less than two former moderators and at least a half dozen more that were not bashing the brand years ago. There is probably more than that, I just can only pick out the ones I knew from that other forum. So, just like we wised up, so will many, not all, but many. Today's Invicta freaks have an advantage that we certainly did not have. We did not have tons of former Invicta fans screaming, "get out of the road! That bid f-kng yellow truck is going to run over your ass! There were a few that tried. But a lot of us were kind of new at this thing and we looked at it like, "shit, this guy paid $12K for his watch used and I paid $250 for mine new, with a 5 year warranty" And of course we smiled as we thought, "and mine looks exactly like his, ha, ha, ha." But when we speak out it is not "others from over there" but those that supported Invicta strongly! Going even further, we did not have people doing like Koi, researching this shit and Boscoe calling the CEO out with a $1,000 bounty for that CEO to prove that he was not lying to people. I know I am leaving other people out that have done as much but these are the two that I have seen the mot of at this in my limited time amount you all.

I retired as a service tech after 38 years from a small company known as AT&T. I can tell you guys, do not let up! They may act like they are covered in teflon when you see them on TV but exposing this kind of shit makes even the largest corporations shutter to the marrow of their bones. They will not be able to continue to survive having these kind of practices exposed and over again. That of course is a good thing. But, I am realistic and can see a bad thing also.

What I think will happen in the end. No one will be fined or go to jail as they should. After the perception of the brand is effected by the facts and sales plummet. Invicta will go away. Then after a pause in time, a new company will emerge with similar tactics and promises and a new CEO (face) and all knew marketing. Under the cover, it will be the same beast. If not that and not as likely, a huge take over and salvation of the brand by someone else or some group. Again, all new names and faces up front. Then there will be another few years of bilking. When a Flem flam man works a small town and dries it up, he hits the road for a new town where he is not known. In a larger city, he rapes a group with others working in his operation and after he milks that cow to death, he pulls in new people and starts another scam. This shit is not new!

Koi, Boscoe, Rusty, Froghorn, (the longer I write the more names come to mind, lol) and the many others I can not think to mention right now and the others I do not know. Keep it up. The blows are telling and if you do, they will never make it to the final round. But sadly, I do think they will find another arena or return to the same arena as a different contestant.

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 10:31pm
by Mark
Today, the known Gibeon Meteorites that have remained in Namibia are displayed in the Post Street Mall (picture) and at the museum of the Geological Survey of Namibia in Windhoek. A number of smaller pieces also form part of the reference collection of the Geological Survey of Namibia. While meteorites continue to be found in the area of Gibeon, it is very difficult to observe them in the field without a metal detector. Despite the fact that meteorites are protected by law in Namibia, and may not be removed from their original site, a large number are leaving the country illegally to be sold at international rock and mineral shows. The largest specimen known and weighing about one ton was illegally exported to the USA recently.

source - http://www.namibweb.com/gibeon.htm

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 10:35pm
by Guest
Mark wrote:Today, the known Gibeon Meteorites that have remained in Namibia are displayed in the Post Street Mall (picture) and at the museum of the Geological Survey of Namibia in Windhoek. A number of smaller pieces also form part of the reference collection of the Geological Survey of Namibia. While meteorites continue to be found in the area of Gibeon, it is very difficult to observe them in the field without a metal detector. Despite the fact that meteorites are protected by law in Namibia, and may not be removed from their original site, a large number are leaving the country illegally to be sold at international rock and mineral shows. The largest specimen known and weighing about one ton was illegally exported to the USA recently.

source - http://www.namibweb.com/gibeon.htm


SO!....... I don't even know you and you expect me to believe you over that of a television personality like JS? Well, knowing the shit he has said over and over again I don't have to know you. Since you are saying the exact opposite, you must be telling the truth!

Have a great Holiday Mark!

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 20th 2010, 11:53pm
by CA Crew
Koi, thanks once again for doing things right while sticking to your goal. The karma is strong!

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 21st 2010, 2:04am
by robert516
I think that the meteorite is probably the cheap rusting kind that Invicta had treated before casing. Just the constant use of the word Gibeon in the sales pitch should alert us to the fact that it is NOT Gibeon. I knew it sounded fishy whenever Boxcar told viewers that only Invicta and a famous brand that begins with an "R" use this source.

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 21st 2010, 7:35am
by Guest
robert516 wrote:I think that the meteorite is probably the cheap rusting kind that Invicta had treated before casing. Just the constant use of the word Gibeon in the sales pitch should alert us to the fact that it is NOT Gibeon. I knew it sounded fishy whenever Boxcar told viewers that only Invicta and a famous brand that begins with an "R" use this source.


Hmmmmmmmm, a famous brand that begins with an R? Let me think?
I Know! I know!!!! Could it be RONCO!
"Just set it and forget it" lol

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 21st 2010, 11:06am
by Dr Turk
Timebender wrote:
DIAMANTE wrote:
DX wrote:Refunds for all who got lied to?


I would venture to say that those who bought these watches are probably happy with them and don't want a refund - even if they know deep down inside they got hosed. LOL!

D


What I think will happen in the end. No one will be fined or go to jail as they should. After the perception of the brand is effected by the facts and sales plummet. Invicta will go away. Then after a pause in time, a new company will emerge with similar tactics and promises and a new CEO (face) and all knew marketing. Under the cover, it will be the same beast. If not that and not as likely, a huge take over and salvation of the brand by someone else or some group. Again, all new names and faces up front. Then there will be another few years of bilking.



I think this already happening or at least trying to. Just take a look at the Imperious Brand. Why else would they go to such lengths to distance this brand from IWG?

IMHO this is being done as an attempt to sell the same old shit with a different name.

Dr Turk

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 21st 2010, 12:24pm
by Guest
I doubt a copy of her credentials will be posted over at watchgeeks anytime soon.

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 21st 2010, 1:20pm
by OTMF
Good information here,
I wish that GNM was here to read this!

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 21st 2010, 2:34pm
by eddiea
Many brands use Gibeon Meteorite for dials aside from Rolex, Omega's recent release comes to mind ...IMHO doubt it that any legit brand will knowingly use the material illegally, despite the articule claim (of course Invicta is another story) as a side note...Namibia's levels of corruption and lack of control over their own internal affairs is something beyond description.

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 21st 2010, 4:49pm
by OTMF
Good Evening,
Any updates from the Meteoroligist?

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 21st 2010, 4:55pm
by Ditchdoc
Eyal ordered one thing from his factory and received something else. I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just offering what might be one possible solution.-Jim Skelton

Good work Alain

Re: Invicta Sandstone Dial Report

PostPosted: December 21st 2010, 6:37pm
by Mark1
Ditchdoc wrote:Eyal ordered one thing from his factory and received something else. I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just offering what might be one possible solution.-Jim Skelton



I think a more plausible scenario for the fake sandstone would be a massive conspiracy hatched by a consortium of watch manufacturers to discredit the "most feared watch company". The big boys are running scared I tell you, and will not hesitate in taking extreme
measures to take down the mighty Lalo. Word is the ninjas hired to break into SNBCs warehouse and swap the dials were wearing the new Tacticool Combat Stealth Sea Wizard to aid in concealing their nefarious activities. I've already said too much. I've emailed a member here documents with the instruction to publish them should I disappear.