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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby catnap » March 13th 2018, 12:26am

gerdson wrote:I love my truck:
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I do agree, the economy is lousy.

Hey, I like that gerdy. What size engine is it?
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby Wasp » March 13th 2018, 6:18am

Hawk wrote:If they’re hitting oncoming drivers in the eyes the adjustment is off.

I used to encourage proper adjustments by means of a perfectly illegal set of high beams but as I aged and mellowed I came to realize that the retaliatory high beam pissing match annoyed other motorists and probably wasn’t safe.

If you’re blinding oncoming drivers sufficiently to create a hazard fix them.


A point in fact. The problem with HID headlights bothering oncoming drivers, or cars in front of you, is this. Non HID headlamps have a very soft and rounder "edge". Going over bumps and dips in a vehicle has the light footprint bounce up and down. The soft "edges" hit the oncoming drivers eye in a relatively progressive intensity. HIDs are an different animal. They lay out a light footprint with very sharp edges. As the vehicle hits a dip or bump the light edge hitting the oncoming drivers eye goes from outside the footprint to inside the footprint instantaneously. It has the same effect as flashing your highs on.

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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby bedlam » March 13th 2018, 6:37am

Wasp wrote:I will have another TR6 before I cash in.

Now that is a cool ride :-)
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby catnap » March 13th 2018, 7:23am

Wasp wrote:
Hawk wrote:If they’re hitting oncoming drivers in the eyes the adjustment is off.

I used to encourage proper adjustments by means of a perfectly illegal set of high beams but as I aged and mellowed I came to realize that the retaliatory high beam pissing match annoyed other motorists and probably wasn’t safe.

If you’re blinding oncoming drivers sufficiently to create a hazard fix them.


A point in fact. The problem with HID headlights bothering oncoming drivers, or cars in front of you, is this. Non HID headlamps have a very soft and rounder "edge". Going over bumps and dips in a vehicle has the light footprint bounce up and down. The soft "edges" hit the oncoming drivers eye in a relatively progressive intensity. HIDs are an different animal. They lay out a light footprint with very sharp edges. As the vehicle hits a dip or bump the light edge hitting the oncoming drivers eye goes from outside the footprint to inside the footprint instantaneously. It has the same effect as flashing your highs on.

Truth be known I prefer tiny cars. I need the truck to haul shit. Honda 90K Titan 9k 2015
I will have another TR6 before I cash in.
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I don’t have any headlight issues due to my tight fisted nature. I had to replace a front bulb recently, the auto shop had a 2 for 1 deal which I jumped at. Little did I know they were ‘French yellow’ bulbs, dull as fuck. They look shit but I ain’t wasting $15.
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby Hawk » March 13th 2018, 8:28am

Wasp wrote:
Hawk wrote:If they’re hitting oncoming drivers in the eyes the adjustment is off.

I used to encourage proper adjustments by means of a perfectly illegal set of high beams but as I aged and mellowed I came to realize that the retaliatory high beam pissing match annoyed other motorists and probably wasn’t safe.

If you’re blinding oncoming drivers sufficiently to create a hazard fix them.


A point in fact. The problem with HID headlights bothering oncoming drivers, or cars in front of you, is this. Non HID headlamps have a very soft and rounder "edge". Going over bumps and dips in a vehicle has the light footprint bounce up and down. The soft "edges" hit the oncoming drivers eye in a relatively progressive intensity. HIDs are an different animal. They lay out a light footprint with very sharp edges. As the vehicle hits a dip or bump the light edge hitting the oncoming drivers eye goes from outside the footprint to inside the footprint instantaneously. It has the same effect as flashing your highs on.

Truth be known I prefer tiny cars. I need the truck to haul shit. Honda 90K Titan 9k 2015
I will have another TR6 before I cash in.
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You may be correct but I've noticed that OEM HID and LED lighting tends to stay right of the centerline with very little spill-over into the opposing land. The max beam height is 48" so there's not much chance of blinding anyone even if a the larger vehicle hits a bump or drivers are meeting each other on a hill top.

My ancient Z4 is pretty anal about keeping lights to the right (or left for the Brits) and the one time the "adaptive lighting control" signed off I thought the dashboard was signaling a warp core containment breach - possibly because the low beams can drift left in such circumstances.

Should look about like:
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And, surprisingly enough, the Escalade has taken the LED lighting to a new "opposing traffic friendly" level.
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Being a shirttail libertarian I'm all for anybody's right to drive whatever street legal vehicle they wish. However, much like your fist, your right to do as you please ends at the tip of my nose. Hence I rarely (and even more rarely in recent years) get spun up about lights unless they're in my eyes.

You might want to look at the beam left side coverage adjustment. Or perhaps you're not really toasting anybody's retina - try coming at it in the Honda and maybe it's not so bad?

As an aside a used Z4 was my cheaper substitute for a TR-6. One's ass is a bit too high for the proper experience and it's got a German accent but it's less of a financial and maintenance struggle than a TR-6 (which if I hadn't been a dumb shit I would have kept to instead of experimenting with the TR-7).
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby Wasp » March 13th 2018, 10:49am

Hawkster...I had a triple black Z4. The only pitchure I have of the damned thing and it is covered. I found it hard to drive this car slow. It needed to be pushed into and out of corners, then it was happy. I did not like the automatic clutch.
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Here is a decent pitchure comparing the two lamps profiles in use.

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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby Hawk » March 13th 2018, 11:10am

I believe I'm going to go out of my way to keep the Z4 longer than I'm accustomed to. The US sales numbers have been in steep decline in recent years and I'm a little concerned it's just going to go away.

The 2018 version isn't here yet and is supposed to be only a soft top. I've gotten used to the hardtop and would like a newer one someday but it might prove a challenge.

You're right about the thing having long legs. For folks like myself raised on V-8s their inline 6 has no business being that nice.
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby gerdson » March 13th 2018, 11:29am

catnap wrote:
gerdson wrote:I love my truck:
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I do agree, the economy is lousy.

Hey, I like that gerdy. What size engine is it?


2,5 litres Diesel. Good enough for my purpose, although - with that heavy and not really aerodynamic truck camper loaded, it can at times be difficult to drive more than a 100 (km/h, not miles of course).
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby Hawk » March 13th 2018, 11:55am

conjurer wrote:Interestingly, this may well be the first time that I've agreed with Carl about, well, anything (apart from porn, which at the end of things, is really all that matters.)

Far too many people in the world drive trucks (or worser, SUVs) for no good fucking reason. Now, I've owned big vehicles: two Cadillac Coupe de Villes, one a 1975 with a 500 cid in Chicago, which drank hi-test gas like Mongo drinks Aqua Velva. Once I was on my way to work and the AC compressor froze up, stopping the belt that also ran the power steering, and turned the car into a three ton barge fighting the tide. While the car was overall fun to drive--image sitting in a La-Z-Boy chair while hurtling down the Interstate at 80 MPH--and also tended to get lesbos in Subarus the fuck outta the way--image you're a rug muncher looking into the rear view and seeing an egg-crate grille the size of a Stukey's billboard bearing down on you--you get the idea. However, back then, most vehicles were about the same height.

Today, in my Elantra GT hatch, I stop at a light, glance at my rear view, and see nothing but a license plate. Most of the people driving these trucks or SUVs are women who seem to be on their I-phone, or screaming at their appalling children in the backseat. They're not hauling shit, they're not working people who need a big fucking truck for their job, they're dumb-ass soccer moms who think that an extra ton of metal around them will advance their revolting genes.


I'm actually surprised you're seeing more of it now than before. Perhaps it's because parts of left coast were SUV unfriendly? I recall my Texas cohorts being downright indignant that their rented SUV was getting them higher prices for parking and sew fourth.

On average though things are much more even these days. The actuarial ghouls at IIHS keep track of such things. Nobody can rewrite the laws of physics so that a light vehicle isn't at a disadvantage to a heavy one but collision underrides are greatly reduced.

To wit:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/vehic ... ight/qanda

With the money quote perhaps being:
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This mismatch has faded as a problem in recent years, thanks to new designs of SUVs and pickups. The energy-absorbing structures of these vehicles are now lower so that they line up better with those of cars. The new designs came out of a voluntary agreement forged by automakers, the government and IIHS in 2003. A more recent study of 2008-09 crashes involving 2005-08 models showed that SUVs were no more likely than cars to be in crashes in which occupants of other cars died. Pickups still killed people in other vehicles at a higher rate, but the difference was much smaller than it was previously.


The idea that one could purchase safety via a SUV never really thrived as such safety obviously came directly out of other people's safety in a sort of zero sum game. Things are much better now but the 2003 negotiations weren't as cordial as the article suggests.
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby catnap » March 13th 2018, 1:39pm

gerdson wrote:
catnap wrote:
gerdson wrote:I love my truck:
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I do agree, the economy is lousy.

Hey, I like that gerdy. What size engine is it?


2,5 litres Diesel. Good enough for my purpose, although - with that heavy and not really aerodynamic truck camper loaded, it can at times be difficult to drive more than a 100 (km/h, not miles of course).

Mines the D4-D 2.5, Toyota switched to 3.0 the following year. I could do with a bit more torque, the same engine in the Hiace has really good pull, but I’m ok with it. The fuel consumption of the D4-D is pretty good.Years back I had a Land Rover 110 3.5 V8 twin carb. That fucking thing was terrible, you could literally watch the fuel gauge going down.
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby bedlam » March 13th 2018, 4:46pm

Hawk wrote:The idea that one could purchase safety via a SUV never really thrived as such safety obviously came directly out of other people's safety in a sort of zero sum game. Things are much better now but the 2003 negotiations weren't as cordial as the article suggests.

Large vehicles have their own physics problems too; they don't stop as well and can't maneuver at speed. They are more at risk of collisions, running off the road, and roll-overs than smaller cars in the same road conditions.
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby foghorn » March 13th 2018, 4:51pm

bedlam wrote:Large vehicles have their own physics problems too; they don't stop as well and can't maneuver at speed. They are more at risk of collisions, running off the road, and roll-overs than smaller cars in the same road conditions.




Not to mention the problems many owners have trying to maintain equilibrium by balancing over sized egos with perceived large genitalia.
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby Lost » March 13th 2018, 9:00pm

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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby Wasp » March 14th 2018, 5:49am

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bedlam wrote:Large vehicles have their own physics problems too; they don't stop as well and can't maneuver at speed. They are more at risk of collisions, running off the road, and roll-overs than smaller cars in the same road conditions.




Not to mention the problems many owners have trying to maintain equilibrium by balancing over sized egos with perceived large genitalia.


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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby bedlam » March 14th 2018, 8:08am

Hawk wrote:The idea that one could purchase safety via a SUV never really thrived as such safety obviously came directly out of other people's safety in a sort of zero sum game. Things are much better now but the 2003 negotiations weren't as cordial as the article suggests.


On the topic;
Pickup Trucks
Pickup trucks, as driven, are riskier than any other major type of vehicle. The risk to drivers of the average pickup is higher than that for minivans, SUVs, and large and midsize cars, although it is not significantly different from that for the average
compact and subcompact car. The combined risk is much higher than that for other vehicle types. This high risk is partly due to pickup trucks being driven more in rural areas. It is well established that risk is high in rural driving due to factors such as higher speeds, more miles traveled, and poor road design and conditions. Light trucks, especially pickups and to a lesser extent SUVs, are responsible for the deaths of many people in other vehicles, as shown by the vertical scale in Figures 2 and 3. This result supports earlier findings by Joksch (2000, pp. 9–10), who examined the outcomes of two-vehicle crashes reported by the police. He found that there are twice as many deaths in car-to-pickup crashes as in car-to-car crashes and 1.8 as many deaths in SUV-to-car crashes as in car-to-car crashes. The pattern in car-to-truck crashes is that people die in the truck somewhat less often than in car-to-car crashes, while people die in the car much more often. Nevertheless, trucks are not safer than cars: SUV and pickup users are at unusually high risk of death in one-vehicle crashes, such that drivers of average SUVs face the same risk as drivers of average midsize and large cars while drivers of average pickups face the same risk as drivers of average compact and subcompact cars. A substantial part of the risks light trucks impose on other drivers is associated with the design of trucks (Gabler and Hollowell 1998; Hollowell and Gabler 1996; Joksch 1998, 2000).


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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby Lost » March 14th 2018, 11:14am

Looks like I'm screwed with my new Mustang GT.
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby Falstaff » March 14th 2018, 11:30am

Hawk wrote:
Wasp wrote:
Hawk wrote:If they’re hitting oncoming drivers in the eyes the adjustment is off.

I used to encourage proper adjustments by means of a perfectly illegal set of high beams but as I aged and mellowed I came to realize that the retaliatory high beam pissing match annoyed other motorists and probably wasn’t safe.

If you’re blinding oncoming drivers sufficiently to create a hazard fix them.


A point in fact. The problem with HID headlights bothering oncoming drivers, or cars in front of you, is this. Non HID headlamps have a very soft and rounder "edge". Going over bumps and dips in a vehicle has the light footprint bounce up and down. The soft "edges" hit the oncoming drivers eye in a relatively progressive intensity. HIDs are an different animal. They lay out a light footprint with very sharp edges. As the vehicle hits a dip or bump the light edge hitting the oncoming drivers eye goes from outside the footprint to inside the footprint instantaneously. It has the same effect as flashing your highs on.


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You may be correct but I've noticed that OEM HID and LED lighting tends to stay right of the centerline with very little spill-over into the opposing land. The max beam height is 48" so there's not much chance of blinding anyone even if a the larger vehicle hits a bump or drivers are meeting each other on a hill top.

My ancient Z4 is pretty anal about keeping lights to the right (or left for the Brits) and the one time the "adaptive lighting control" signed off I thought the dashboard was signaling a warp core containment breach - possibly because the low beams can drift left in such circumstances.

Should look about like:
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And, surprisingly enough, the Escalade has taken the LED lighting to a new "opposing traffic friendly" level.
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Being a shirttail libertarian I'm all for anybody's right to drive whatever street legal vehicle they wish. However, much like your fist, your right to do as you please ends at the tip of my nose. Hence I rarely (and even more rarely in recent years) get spun up about lights unless they're in my eyes.

You might want to look at the beam left side coverage adjustment. Or perhaps you're not really toasting anybody's retina - try coming at it in the Honda and maybe it's not so bad?

As an aside a used Z4 was my cheaper substitute for a TR-6. One's ass is a bit too high for the proper experience and it's got a German accent but it's less of a financial and maintenance struggle than a TR-6 (which if I hadn't been a dumb shit I would have kept to instead of experimenting with the TR-7).



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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby catnap » March 14th 2018, 11:47am

Lost wrote:Looks like I'm screwed with my new Mustang GT.

Was this wise?
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby Lost » March 14th 2018, 12:00pm

catnap wrote:
Lost wrote:Looks like I'm screwed with my new Mustang GT.

Was this wise?

Prolly not. I only get it over 100 on the off ramps.
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby Hawk » March 14th 2018, 3:16pm

Falstaff wrote:You had a TR7? Really (guffaw, snort)? And uh, how was it (snicker, eye roll)?


Well, lessee here...

It needed coolant topped off weekly and neither I nor my dealer could ever find a leak. Moreover it wasn't a normal radiator cap - it was a hex-headed affair needing a wrench. I thought of brazing a broken wrench to it to ease maintenance but too late to do any good.

Joseph Lucas earned the title "Prince of Darkness". The switch controlling the pop-up headlights fell off the dashboard early on but I discovered more or less by accident that the headlights could be deployed and (usually) illuminated by shorting contacts with the ignition key. If one was driving when darkness decended a foil gum wrapper could do as well. I considered it an "optional" fix mostly for resale / trade-in purposes as I had plenty of gum.

Tuning Strombergs is, I believe, the origin of the phrase "...is like trying to herd cats". Though credit actually goes to the contemporaneous V-12 carburated Jaguar. The "XJS" Jag together with the TR-7 are distinguised in that forty years later they are still priced like used cars and are in little danger of ever being priced as "classics". Although the TR looked like a door stop the S-Jag looked like the front and rear had been designed by separate teams in separate countries with no phone service.

The TR's fore-starboard Macphearson would spontaneously loosen resulting in seeing one's life flash before one's eyes due to the unexpectedly stout pull to the right. Though the offending part was immune to threadlock compound of the day it succumbed to a similar compound consisting of two-part epoxy.

Other than that <cough> it was a joy to drive and it got me hooked on manual transmissions over the course of 100K miles.

In an unexpected development I traded it for a Dodge with a 5 speed and the clutch fell apart within 75 miles on the brand new vehicle. Being front wheel drive the repair required dismantling half the car and Chrysler's broke dick condition at the time meant it wasn't covered under warranty because "I didn't know how to use a clutch" - the TR wasn't allowed into evidence.

As a consequence I haven't purchased a Dodge or anything related in the last 40 years and my memories of the TR are much fonder than those for that POS 024.
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Re: Any of youz drive a trurck?

Postby catnap » March 15th 2018, 10:16am

Lost wrote:
catnap wrote:
Lost wrote:Looks like I'm screwed with my new Mustang GT.

Was this wise?

Prolly not. I only get it over 100 on the off ramps.

Not the purchase. The mention.
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