Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby koimaster » August 14th 2018, 10:40am

I posted this here to make everyone aware that BDWF, a forum many of us belonged to or currently belong to is no longer a truly viable forum anymore. It was apparently moved to a server owned by Rick Marei of doxa and all things related to that brand. thewatchforum.net uses godaddy proxy services but nonetheless it is Rick Marei. For quite some time now Jas, Conj and a couple of others have kept that site up along with a few diehard members there. A credit to them.

Mike and his wife have had health issues and that of course takes precedence of anything else but BDWF was adrift. Since 2015 Mike and I discussed moving BDWF onto our server which is a very robust one and currently hosts not only watchlords but watchforums.net as well. Mike did not know until the outages hit BDWF in 2015 and 2016 that Doxa/rick had any part of BDWF. Randy who had owned BDWF prior to Mike never informed him of the doxa connection. The stumbling block with Mike was doxa and his fear as he told me in emails, that Rick could and would delete his forum.

Well It appears that the forum was moved to a new server and the domain BDWF was re-directed to thewatchforum.net. As you can see from the screenshot, the words BDWF are gone, replaced with what you see in black. We have thought of how to salvage the forum there but it appears that old threads have just a title and the data deleted. I did some research in the old pages and found it to be true. At any rate, my point is being absent from a forum can lead to bad things happening.

When I was ill in 2014 members here (founding members and others) stepped up and took control. As there are not mods here my daughter has all of the access codes for the place but I am going to share information with others on the WL forum which will let them take over if I am gone for any reason. The forum cannot be moved from this server without my direct approval nor can it be deleted. This forum has been here for close to 9 years now and I am certain whether I am here or not that it will continue to be online and in good hands.

one thing that Dion (who many know of) and I discussed was why anyone would want to move a forum. Aside from stability, it seems that emails are worth money to watch related companies. The mailing list of BDWF therefore might be one reason to takeover a forum that does not belong to you.


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https://issuu.com/watchlords.com/docs/lord_john_vargas

And my interview with the guy Rick called a lunatic is below.

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The below email is apparently the start of the relationship between Doxa and BDWF. It relates to John Vargas.

----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Rush
To: 'Kfoley' ; 'rob bodily' ; 'Aaron Fuhrman'
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 7:44 AM
Subject: Replies from Doxa and Pfeiffer

Here are the emails I received from Rick Marei of Doxa and John Pfeiffer:


Randy, thank you for contacting John and for giving him this opportunity. John P. forwarded me your email because he has suffered throughout the past few weeks because of John Vargas's attitude, because he felt he is responsible for hiring John Vargas and for all the damage that he caused.

Please let me explain the situation before I proceed with commenting the thread publicly.

John Vargas is mentally unstable. His injuries have rendered almost all his vital organs dysfunctional and put him in a long comma, where his brain has suffered and unfortunately, it was permanently damaged. When he started to work for DOXA, we found him very pleasant to deal with until he started building his network of lies. John is a notorious liar and this is to the most extent, a result of his mental disorder. I never heard of a person in my entire life who is able to build such a network of lies around himself and at some time, starts believing them. I have a list of people with a long list of lies they were told by John, usually persons, he would call, brothers or friends. All of them are, although they sometimes find him, a pleasant person to deal with, are sick and tired of his lies. John is not a bad guy or at least, I assume and hope he is isn't, but his mental disorder makes it hard to deal with him. John built his own virtual world and unfortunately, the internet has given him a good soil to do it.

As the information he posted are mostly untrue. I am tempted to reply to his thread but I am not sure yet of whether this is the best way to proceed. I do not know much about your forum and whether the forum members are willing to listen to the truth and the other side of the story.

Rick


Hi Randy, I have read through the thread again and it contains email communication between John Vargas and DOXA and slanderous material. If you have an anti slander policy, I kindly ask you to remove this thread

This correspondence between John and DOXA is not meant for public use and it is your decision whether you think it is correct to have this type of personal correspondence on your forum.

Thank you

Rick



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Re: BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

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Re: Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby koimaster » March 8th 2019, 11:06am

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Bestdamnwatchforum.com redirect to watchforums.net https://watchforums.net/forum/index.php

The original Bestdamnwatchforum aka BDWF is dead, RIP. It was killed off by the neglect of Mike Horn who despite the best effort of members at the old forum and members here did nothing to help save the forum. Over the last year the excuses were health related. Having been in that position myself in 2014, I trusted the members to take care of their home and the keys were available to my daughter and would have been turned over if the worst had happened. In this case Mike made excuse after excuse and in my opinion it was all bullshit, just plain "I do not give a shit".

In the meantime the infamous rick marei http://www.doxawatches.com/The-SUB-Re-Surfaces.html moved BDWF to another server, breaking all of the links, shutting out mods and admins from previous permissions and in no uncertain terms, fucked the forum up. WL and WFN attempted to convince Mike Horn that we could salvage the forum or at least the date and import it into WFN. Instead of a straight answer Mr. Horn again played the "I have to check with Rick" game and BDWF finally died off. Apparently Horn did send the godaddy credentials to Rick otherwise the forum could not have been moved to a new server as re-direct permissions are needed to do something like that. But it appears from everything I have been able to find out over the last year that the DNS matter was BS (the forum was moved) and it was just broke by a guy and his IT staff who were in my opinion clueless.

WFN owns the domain names BDWF rocks and Bestdamnwatchforum.com Both domain names are set to redirect to WFN so if anyone even remembers bestdamnwatchforum, they will find the other place run by Ocean, Art and John. It is too god damn bad that no one cared enough for all those years of threads and history to try to save it other than a bunch of haters.


From: Mike Horn <mikiehorn@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:10
To: rick marei <rick.marei@doxawatches.com>
Subject: RE: Shutdown

Rick:

Don't know what else I can send you other than the GoDaddy accct name/number and password ...



Shutdown


From rick marei
To 'Mike Horn'
Cc admin@watchlords.com
Date 2019-02-20 08:12




Dear Mike,

Alain contacted me about the forum, although I have no partnership/business with him or whatsoever, you are the legal co-owner of this forum, if you want to rescue what is left over of the forum, you need to give me a sign of life,. Please understand that I don't want to be difficult, the DNS entries are controlled by you (your email address/account at Godaddy), you are the only one who can edit them or give us access to them, so my IT staff can migrate the forum to a new hardware


1.If there is anything that is preventing you from replying like personal, heath or family matters, that I am not aware of, I totally understand, and I don't need to know the details but I still need to know
2.If have lost interest in the forum, please let me know what you have on mind
3.If you want Alain to represent you in this matter, I need your written confirmation, yet, you have to understand, that Alain's attitude towards me, my staff and DOXA is not what I refer to as "friendly", and it won't be easy to find a resolution with him if he pursues the same route
4.If you want to sell your shares of the forum, also please let me know



Until I hear from you, I am not entitled to make any decisions related to the forum ownership, and I will not discuss further any matters that are forum related with Mr. Rech.

Best regards

Rick
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Re: Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby foghorn » March 8th 2019, 11:10am

BDWF has been dead for quite some time. Now it's official.
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Re: Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby MAX » March 8th 2019, 11:35am

RIP, it was a great site. I had a lot of fun there, made some friends, bought and sold and learned a lot.
At its peak there was none better.
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Re: Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby koimaster » March 8th 2019, 11:48am

MAX wrote:RIP, it was a great site. I had a lot of fun there, made some friends, bought and sold and learned a lot.
At its peak there was none better.



Agreed. But when the skel and his crew of lemmings came to the place it started the downward trend.
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Re: Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby JAS1125 » March 8th 2019, 12:24pm

I'm been pretty busy with work and personal issues of late, so I haven't devoted a lot of time at Watchforums, however with the redirect now in place, I wonder if we should re-christen the place as the Best Damn Watch Forum.

Not only does it remove the confusion from the old BDWF new forum name, it will be a shot at Rick if he relaunches the forum under it's new moniker.
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Re: Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby koimaster » March 8th 2019, 12:48pm

JAS1125 wrote:I'm been pretty busy with work and personal issues of late, so I haven't devoted a lot of time at Watchforums, however with the redirect now in place, I wonder if we should re-christen the place as the Best Damn Watch Forum.

Not only does it remove the confusion from the old BDWF new forum name, it will be a shot at Rick if he relaunches the forum under it's new moniker.


It is up to the folks that run that place, not me.
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Re: Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby 3Flushes » March 8th 2019, 12:52pm

koimaster wrote:
MAX wrote:RIP, it was a great site. I had a lot of fun there, made some friends, bought and sold and learned a lot.
At its peak there was none better.



Agreed. But when the skel and his crew of lemmings came to the place it started the downward trend.

Everything those assholes ever touched turned to shit- psychological freaks of nature have that way about them.
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Re: Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby JAS1125 » March 8th 2019, 1:08pm

koimaster wrote:
JAS1125 wrote:I'm been pretty busy with work and personal issues of late, so I haven't devoted a lot of time at Watchforums, however with the redirect now in place, I wonder if we should re-christen the place as the Best Damn Watch Forum.

Not only does it remove the confusion from the old BDWF new forum name, it will be a shot at Rick if he relaunches the forum under it's new moniker.


It is up to the folks that run that place, not me.


Yeah, just spitballing....I posted there also
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Re: Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby koimaster » March 8th 2019, 5:00pm

JAS1125 wrote:
koimaster wrote:
JAS1125 wrote:I'm been pretty busy with work and personal issues of late, so I haven't devoted a lot of time at Watchforums, however with the redirect now in place, I wonder if we should re-christen the place as the Best Damn Watch Forum.

Not only does it remove the confusion from the old BDWF new forum name, it will be a shot at Rick if he relaunches the forum under it's new moniker.


It is up to the folks that run that place, not me.


Yeah, just spitballing....I posted there also


It can be done if you guys want it done. Just a matter of changing some things.
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Re: Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby conjurer » March 8th 2019, 5:47pm

I'd like to hold off to see what Arty thinks. He put in a lot of time at our little brother forum, and what he says about a name change I'm OK with.
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Re: Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby conjurer » March 8th 2019, 11:28pm

koimaster wrote:
MAX wrote:RIP, it was a great site. I had a lot of fun there, made some friends, bought and sold and learned a lot.
At its peak there was none better.



Agreed. But when the skel and his crew of lemmings came to the place it started the downward trend.


I started there at about the time Jawbone and his boys left--I think it was just about a few months later when they started WGs. So, in retrospect, I missed the great days.

In the early days (at least, my early days) it was a jumping forum. There were plenty of contributing members, of all sorts. It was there that I first learned of Orient watches, from ANZAC Tony and Kew; as far as I'm concerned, it was those two guys who really brought the brand to the notice of the West.

Things started slowing down--I suppose because of a few things; Jawbone took a lot of members with him, to fold them into the appalling stew that was WGs; other social media outlets started getting big; and members started dropping out, for whatever reason. I always called BDWF the White Shoe forum, but perhaps things there just started getting a little stagnant. It was somewhat like WUS, and WUS was the big boy on the block.

I recall meeting James Elsener around this time. He and his wife traveled out to Seattle, and me and Mrs. C took them out to dinner. We talked of many things, but BDWF was pretty important to both of us, and naturally the slowing down of the forum came up. He said he felt that the large fora were starting to be a thing of the past--Facesbooks and the like were taking over. He also said that the smaller fora, with a more narrow focus, would continue to prosper.

And so it came to pass. WUS is still around, still the big boy, and so are smaller fora, like us here. A forum dies a death of a thousand cuts. Even if there are five thousand registered members, there are perhaps a few hundred (if that) who regularly post. In any hobby, people become bored with it, and drop out. Others move to something else. I had an email discussion on this with a noted collector, who told me that the whole forum thing had become tiresome to him, that he had moved to a level of collecting where he simply wasn't interested in it anymore. As these few hundred members drop out, the forum slows, and more and more members drop out. I don't know what the tipping point is, but BDWF hit it a long time ago. I suppose this is where companies like Verticalscope come in, to buy the joint out, mine it for whatever there is of value.

So BDWF is dead. I learned a lot from my time there. Like Max says above, I made a lot of friends there as well. Now, it's gone, and maybe it's better this way. We lost a lot of info and entertaining posts, but at the same time, I'm kind of glad that it's not one of those weird ghost fora, that still are around, like a lost city in the jungle.

RIP, BDWF. You had a good run.
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Re: Updated RIP - BDWF aka Bestdamnwatchforum

Postby Datsun240Z71 » March 9th 2019, 4:18am

MAX wrote:RIP, it was a great site. I had a lot of fun there, made some friends, bought and sold and learned a lot.
At its peak there was none better.


Well said here and by conjurer.
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