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Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby koimaster » December 8th 2017, 9:46am

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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby foghorn » December 8th 2017, 9:55am

Whad'ya mean? That looks nothing like a Rolex.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby biglove » December 8th 2017, 6:51pm

Well, even though the “Marina Militaire” term is a trademark here, isn’t everywhere from what I have read?

Be another thing entirely of it said “Panerai.”
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby TemerityB » December 8th 2017, 8:14pm

biglove wrote:Well, even though the “Marina Militaire” term is a trademark here, isn’t everywhere from what I have read?

Be another thing entirely of it said “Panerai.”


I know somebody that had one of those MMs and the edges on the freaking thing were so sharp you could cut cheese with 'em. Real junk.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby MKTheVintageBloke » December 9th 2017, 7:12am

biglove wrote:Well, even though the “Marina Militaire” term is a trademark here, isn’t everywhere from what I have read?

Be another thing entirely of it said “Panerai.”

The WUS Gestapo has once deleted pics of a Panerai homage, which had "Marina Militare" on the dial, and justified that with Marina Militare being a Panerai trademark.

Sadly, the Gestapo there has a foggy notion of common sense - Marina Militare is the name of the Italian Navy, so Panerai trademarking it is just as if Timefactors would have registered "Royal Navy" as their trademark. Or, for that matter, as if an American company, like RGM or Marathon, would have done the same thing with the US Navy.

That said, a Marina Militare inscription is somewhat generic.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby biglove » December 9th 2017, 7:38am

MKTheVintageBloke wrote:
biglove wrote:Well, even though the “Marina Militaire” term is a trademark here, isn’t everywhere from what I have read?

Be another thing entirely of it said “Panerai.”

The WUS Gestapo has once deleted pics of a Panerai homage, which had "Marina Militare" on the dial, and justified that with Marina Militare being a Panerai trademark.

Sadly, the Gestapo there has a foggy notion of common sense - Marina Militare is the name of the Italian Navy, so Panerai trademarking it is just as if Timefactors would have registered "Royal Navy" as their trademark. Or, for that matter, as if an American company, like RGM or Marathon, would have done the same thing with the US Navy.

That said, a Marina Militare inscription is somewhat generic.



Yeppers. Have never understood how they managed to trademark such a common term.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby MKTheVintageBloke » December 9th 2017, 10:22am

biglove wrote:
MKTheVintageBloke wrote:
biglove wrote:Well, even though the “Marina Militaire” term is a trademark here, isn’t everywhere from what I have read?

Be another thing entirely of it said “Panerai.”

The WUS Gestapo has once deleted pics of a Panerai homage, which had "Marina Militare" on the dial, and justified that with Marina Militare being a Panerai trademark.

Sadly, the Gestapo there has a foggy notion of common sense - Marina Militare is the name of the Italian Navy, so Panerai trademarking it is just as if Timefactors would have registered "Royal Navy" as their trademark. Or, for that matter, as if an American company, like RGM or Marathon, would have done the same thing with the US Navy.

That said, a Marina Militare inscription is somewhat generic.



Yeppers. Have never understood how they managed to trademark such a common term.

Probably the same way that kiddie fucker from International Watchman trademarked "NATO." Apparently a single-figure IQ does not disqualify one from working for the authorities in charge of trademark registration.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby Pubbie » December 9th 2017, 10:35am

MKTheVintageBloke wrote:Probably the same way that kiddie fucker from International Watchman trademarked "NATO." Apparently a single-figure IQ does not disqualify one from working for the authorities in charge of trademark registration.

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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby foghorn » December 9th 2017, 1:51pm

biglove wrote:

Yeppers. Have never understood how they managed to trademark such a common term.




Trademarked in respect to use on a watch but unlikely to cause a problem if you used the term in a thesis on Italys naval exploits.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby tiktok » December 9th 2017, 1:58pm

Does the tractor have lume.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby foghorn » December 9th 2017, 2:00pm

tiktok wrote:Does the tractor have lume.



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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby tiktok » December 9th 2017, 2:18pm

Screw it then if you remember how.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby OTMF » December 9th 2017, 3:30pm

foghorn wrote:
tiktok wrote:Does the tractor have lume.



No-bulb is out.

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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby AlbertaTime » December 9th 2017, 6:58pm

MKTheVintageBloke wrote:
biglove wrote:
MKTheVintageBloke wrote:
biglove wrote:Well, even though the “Marina Militaire” term is a trademark here, isn’t everywhere from what I have read?

Be another thing entirely of it said “Panerai.”


That said, a Marina Militare inscription is somewhat generic.


Yeppers. Have never understood how they managed to trademark such a common term.

Probably the same way that kiddie fucker from International Watchman trademarked "NATO." Apparently a single-figure IQ does not disqualify one from working for the authorities in charge of trademark registration.


Yeah, that's about how I see it, too. I'm not gonna get outta shape about "MM". I actually think Panerai has a legit case about the crown lever patent and guard shape, though, and I wish folks wouldn't copy that. I think Panerai earned that protection the old-fashioned way, by being first with the ideas, at least as far as I know.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby Mortuus » December 9th 2017, 8:56pm

Well, I, for one, am very pleased to see this discussion taking place here, as I have owned a "Marina Militare" GMT that I've always assumed was made by Parnis. Here are some pix:

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As can be seen, it's an automatic, clearly marked with the MM moniker, and it was a good buy -- or so I thought at the time -- at $75, and free shipping + zero sales tax. And I liked it a lot (and still do, in the interest of full disclosure), largely for the same reasons I love the Panerai; way cool styling, awesome lines and the look of it on my wrist. However, having said that, I have been extremely reluctant to wear the watch here, at WL, for fear of being accused of wearing a fake. Yet, at the same time, I have the watch below:

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I've both posted and worn this one many times over the six+ years I've been a Lord; like it's counterpart above it's neither a real nor a fake Panerai, but rather a "sanitized dial" homage to the brand & model, as made by a fellow who went by the name of Drudy, a while back. Soooo, at the risk of asking you to repeat yourselves, please tell me what you think about both pieces. Do you find the one offensive, or both? Is one more of an homage than the other, or are they both legit, as far as you're concerned? Should I or should not wear one or both of them? C'mon, Lords, this particular Dead Guy Needs to Know!!

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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby biglove » December 10th 2017, 1:00am

Since “Marina Militaire” isn’t the name of the brand, regardless of the stupid trademark BS, I have no issue with it.

If it said “Panerai,” that would be a different issue.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby artman » December 10th 2017, 2:37am

I dig both those watches Mort. I've often wondered about Parnis but never have seen them in the wild.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby foghorn » December 10th 2017, 5:46am

Trademark=trademark. No matter how "stupid" one might think it is.
If they weren't trying ,at least, a small bit of deception then just leave it sterile like Morts other watch. Or write
"military diver" or something original.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby Falstaff » December 10th 2017, 9:05am

Is it a replica by definition? No, in that the original maker's name isn't present - however, in overall appearance the watch appears to be a fairly exact copy of the original and would be taken as the original by almost anyone with only marginal watch knowledge at first glance. So, the legitimacy of the hommage comes not from its mere manufacture but whether or not it is the wearer's intent to deceive - a question only the wearer can answer.
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Re: Is Parnis a replica maker?

Postby Mortuus » December 10th 2017, 5:30pm

Excellent points, all! Thank you very much, gentlemen...
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