Vets with 'Bad Paper' - No New VA ID Cards

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Vets with 'Bad Paper' - No New VA ID Cards

Postby koimaster » October 24th 2017, 3:43pm

From military.com


Stars and Stripes | 20 Oct 2017 | by Nikki Wentling


WASHINGTON -- Starting next month, veterans can register for identification cards that prove their military history -- but not everyone who has served will get one.

The Department of Veterans Affairs will provide free, hard-copy identification cards that include their names, photos and an identification number. The rollout is the result of legislation Congress passed in 2015 to make it easier for veterans to receive things such as discounts at stores and restaurants.

Some veterans groups applauded the legislation at the time, saying it would be easier and safer than having veterans carry around their DD214s -- certificates of release or discharge that contain sensitive information.

It's unsure when the cards will be available in November, or how long it will take to process applications for them. The design is also still being finalized.


But one thing is certain: Cards won't be available to veterans with other-than-honorable discharges.

"Only those veterans with honorable service will be eligible for the ID card," VA spokesman Curt Cashour said Wednesday.

That has prompted anger by some veterans, who see it as setback despite recent progress the government has made in how it treats vets with other-than-honorable discharges, known as "bad paper."

In July, the VA began providing urgent mental health care to veterans with other-than-honorable discharges -- aid that previously wasn't available. The following month, the Defense Department issued a sweeping policy change to afford more leeway to veterans seeking upgrades to their other-than-honorable discharges.

"This is a step backward," said Tyson Manker, a former infantry Marine who received an other-than-honorable discharge after he returned from a 2003 deployment.

Kristofer Goldsmith, an assistant director for policy and government affairs at Vietnam Veterans of America and founder of High Ground Veterans Advocacy, said he appealed to VA Secretary David Shulkin to allow all veterans to receive the cards.

The bill passed in 2015 does not mention limiting the cards to veterans with honorable discharges. Cashour did not explain the eligibility restriction.

"They're being denied their very identity as a veteran," said Goldsmith, an Iraq War veteran who was discharged for misconduct after a suicide attempt. "They face this at multiple points in their life. A lot of folks just think the point of discharge is the punishment, but these administrative discharges are lifetime sentences."

Experts have cited various reasons service members could've unfairly received bad paper.

From World War II to 2011, when the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy was repealed, veterans were other-than-honorably discharged for being gay. Others have struggled with service-related post-traumatic stress disorder, traumatic brain injury, military sexual trauma or other disorders that affected their behavior and led to their bad paper.

The Government Accountability Office released a report in May stating more than 57,000 service members suffering from PTSD, TBI or adjustment; and anxiety, bipolar and substance abuse disorders were separated from the military for misconduct from 2011 through 2015.

Manker was 21 and dealing with mental health issues when he was accused of smoking marijuana off base, he said. His discharge initially prevented him from receiving VA services, but he recently won his fight to secure benefits.

Being rejected the new identification cards means another fight to prove his status as a veteran, he said.

"Once again, here we are, and 'bad paper' veterans are getting pushed aside and forgotten about like they're not veterans," Manker said. "It's shameful. This just turns the knife in a little bit deeper."
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Re: Vets with 'Bad Paper' - No New VA ID Cards

Postby Mark1 » October 24th 2017, 8:16pm

It's a tough call. In some cases, I can see not giving them an ID card. Chelsea Manning-no card, Bowe Bergdahl-no card. If they were kicked out for any non-criminal offense maybe they can get one. Deserters, traitors can literally kiss my ass.
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Re: Vets with 'Bad Paper' - No New VA ID Cards

Postby koimaster » October 24th 2017, 11:54pm

Mark1 wrote:It's a tough call. In some cases, I can see not giving them an ID card. Chelsea Manning-no card, Bowe Bergdahl-no card. If they were kicked out for any non-criminal offense maybe they can get one. Deserters, traitors can literally kiss my ass.



I will not disagree. this leaves a fake pj and fake seal hanging in the wind. :lol:
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Re: Vets with 'Bad Paper' - No New VA ID Cards

Postby MAX » October 25th 2017, 5:15am

NO HD, no card. Mine cost me 4 years active and 2 years reserve time. Maybe go by a minimum time active duty be fore a medical discharge. Dishonorable Discharge, no way.

And how much is this card going to cost us honorably discharged vets? You can get it put on your drivers license in Florida free but the fee for the replacement license that shows it is $38 !!!

I carry a copy of my DD214. Used it in every hotel fleeing Irma but Senior discount was actually more.
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Re: Vets with 'Bad Paper' - No New VA ID Cards

Postby codguy » October 25th 2017, 5:38am

Fuck no. Other than honorable means they did not serve honorably............ period.

All the wankers had to do is serve honorably...... and now they complain about not getting the same perks as those that did? Fuck them.
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Re: Vets with 'Bad Paper' - No New VA ID Cards

Postby kevco » October 25th 2017, 7:03am

Man we have needed this for so long...
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