2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

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2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby Don Barzini » November 12th 2015, 1:49pm

This is an unfair comparison. The 2105 Citizen Wave World Time F150 is a three hand date world time GPS. The 2015 Seiko Astron is a chronograph world time GPS. But since I've worn - and enjoy - both, I thought I'd try.

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**THE CASES**

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The Astron pictured here is a titanium case and 45mm diameter, 50-51mm lug end to lug end. It’s 22mm lug width is ideal for switching to straps. The Wave is stainless steel, 44mm diameter, and 49mm lug end to lug end. Unfortunately, Citizen opted for an odd 23mm lug width which lessens strap choices nearly to nil. Both are reasonably thin and well done. The Aston is better finished. The Wave has somewhat duller edges typical to less expensive watches. Still, the Wave case is nicely done overall. Both have fixed bezels with city codes, but the Astron's bezel is ceramic. The Astron case looks higher end and higher finished and it is, which may be due to its price. The Astron retails at $2,300 and the Wave at $1,150.

Advantage - Seiko Astron


**THE DIALS**

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The Wave has a clean, eminently legible dial. The dial is two levels and the indices simple, large, and functional. The rehaut has a step off. The offset subdial is both a power reserve and day of week function for the perpetual calendar. While I am normally a fan of symmetry, in this case I like the offset dial at 7:30. Though highly lumed, it fades quickly except for the hour and minute hands. The dial combined with the case creates a simple, classic look that fits with jeans and a T-shirt to formal wear.

Obviously the Astron is busier because it is a chronograph. In person, the dial is just stunning. It's is deep and multi-leveled. The metal indices are faceted and glisten in light. They hang above the dial creating a pleasing 3-D effect. The black sub dial surrounds set off the blue tones which alternate from dark to medium blue depending on lighting. The lume is sub-par.

I like the Wave dial. But, the Astron dial is its own special breed.

Advantage - Astron


**THE CRYSTALS**

Both are sapphire, flat, and have A/R. The Wave's A/R is weak. Seiko says it's crystal has some "super hard" coating. I don't know about that, but whatever they use, the rest of the watch world needs it. Not once, not under any lighting conditions, nor any orientation of the watch have I ever seen the crystal - it's invisible and that further highlights the stellar effects of the dial. I've had a few Breitlings, known for their heavy A/R, but nothing compares with what Seiko is using. Plus, the dial isn't a fingerprint magnet.

Advantage - Astron by a mile


**BRACELETS**

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Astron
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Wave
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Leaving aside the material difference - titanium versus stainless steel, the Wave bracelet is very comfortable and easily adjustable with a micro adjustment in the push button clasp (the Astron clasp is essentially identical). But the bracelet's appearance is ... well ... nothing special and has more finish lapses than the case. On the wrist it doesn't detract from the watch, but it doesn't add anything special. Any of the Citizen A-T bracelets would add to the Wave.

The Astron has a gorgeous bracelet, with thin polished bits sandwiched into the brushed titanium. Like the case, it is simply more highly finished, suiting a higher end timepiece.


Advantage - Astron, not close.


**GPS/TIME ZONE FUNCTIONALITY**

Both watches have an easy learning curve. GPS reception is easily acquired in all conditions outside. The Wave requires a quick push and 2 second hold of the 2:00 pusher and the second hand move to RX-GPS. The new F150 movement is supposed to have the quickest GPS reception on the market. It also will change to local time anywhere in the world with a push and 2 second hold of the 2:00 pusher. This takes up to 30 seconds to acquire the necessary satellites. A push and hold of the 4:00 pusher directs the second hand to RX-Time to adjust time accuracy on demand. This is lighting fast - 2-3 seconds max. The time zone can be changed manually by pulling out the crown which sets the second hand to the current time zone, then rotating the crown to the time zone/city desired. The DST function is a simple on/off.

The Astron GPS and time zone adjustment function nearly identically. It has no quick time adjustment feature. It takes longer to sync to the 4 or more satellites it requires, but the running seconds sub dial at 10:00 becomes a satellite indicator during GPS reception; showing you how many satellites are connected.

Advantage - Surprisingly Citizen seriously upped the ante in 2015 after some issues with earlier GPS movements. The new movement surpasses the Aston. Advantage Wave.

**SOLAR CHARGING**

The specs for the new Wave movement say it is now the fastest charging with the longest power reserve among solar powered watches. Okay. But, this technology isn't new and even the Astron will stay charged if worn now and then and has a 6-month power reserve. Kudos to Citizen, but I don't see how it makes a difference.

Advantage - ever so slightly to the Wave.


**CONCLUSION**

You can't go wrong with either the Citizen or Seiko. Yes, the Seiko has a higher end look, but it costs nearly twice as much. The dial is busy. In the looks department the Citizen isn't exactly an ugly step-sister. It has its own legitimate styling appeal - a simple, uncluttered, pleasing dial appropriate for any occasion.

So, which one is better? Doh! It's a nice apples to lovely oranges comparison. I can't compare these - a 3 hand versus a chrono? A discount price of $1,700 versus $850? The Wave is the better deal. But each piece is well done within its price range and the function differences. Where it counts - the GPS and time zone functionality, the difference is barely perceptible.
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby conjurer » November 12th 2015, 3:02pm

That's goddamn good comparo, Don. Well done indeed!
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby JAS1125 » November 12th 2015, 3:13pm

conjurer wrote:That's goddamn good comparo, Don. Well done indeed!


Agree..I always like to see comparison reviews....nice job!
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby bedlam » November 12th 2015, 4:36pm

The difference is clear. The Wave gets me to horizontal..the Astron elevates my member another 45 degrees. Clear win to Seiko.
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby conjurer » November 12th 2015, 4:43pm

bedlam wrote:The difference is clear. The Wave gets me to horizontal..the Astron elevates my member another 45 degrees. Clear win to Seiko.


You are such a fucking Seikopath!!
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby biglove » November 12th 2015, 4:56pm

Excellent review. The policy on the Seiko Titanium bracelet is just stunning, as is the dial.

One thing for sure is that the review highlights what a difference in quality and finish that price avails the consumer.

Not a chrono fan but that Seiko is just immaculate.
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby jason_recliner » November 12th 2015, 5:02pm

That Astron... Yeah.

The Wave is also trick but the model Jaw has is a better luxury sports watch, IMO.
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby Don Barzini » November 12th 2015, 5:10pm

jason_recliner wrote:That Astron... Yeah.

The Wave is also trick but the model Jaw has is a better luxury sports watch, IMO.


Agreed. 47mm is out of my range though.
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby eddiea » November 13th 2015, 7:27pm

Although I'm unfamiliar with the specific OP's F150 and or the Wave models, when I bought my Citizen CC1084-63E did some extensive shopping around both on the web and hands-on , was fortunate to handled couple Astrons, an SSE005J titanium and a Giugiaro Limited Edition SSE037 titanium/ceramic ....(all 3, brand new)
Could have purchase any , yet liked the Citizen better, better movement, case/bracelet finish, an avant garde design, much easy to wear and set compared to the others
Was specifically looking for a solar, perpetual calendar GPS watch with world time, day/date, at least 100 meters W/R...and found it.
My take on the Seikos is that as far as overall design goes are a bit boring, excellently made yet not as intuitive to use as the Citizens and few folks truly have any use for a chronograph, (including me)
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It is puzzling to me why the Astron are so much expensive, thinking that the chronograph module alone doesn't justify the considerably higher price tag compare to Citizen (not to mention Suunto and Casio) ....currently I'm thinking about a second GPS watch and again, leaning towards a Citizen
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby Don Barzini » November 13th 2015, 10:40pm

The Citizen CC1084-63E is my favorite of the GPS watches. It is size prohibitive for me at 48mm. The second generation of both the Citizen and Seiko have "smaller" sizes for those of us who can't wear a bigger watch. This takes some doing - Seiko came up with an entirely new circular antenna to save space without sacrificing reception and managed to put in a chrono to boot. New technology has an associated price. Also, while the titanium models retrial for $2,300, the SS versions retail for $1,800.

The Wave reviewed above stands on its own as a very nice watch. Much nicer on the wrist than the pictures...or my ability to take decent pictures demonstrates.

Still, it's worth repeating that the 2015 Citizen movement has the quickest signal reception, quickest charging solar cell, and longest power reserve (2 years) on the market and it can be had under $900. That's pretty amazing in my book.
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby jaw » November 13th 2015, 11:45pm

Good one Don, thanks. I have the Citizen F100 (my feeble mini review) and really like it. Tried hard to go for the Astron but earlier models were just too big and chunky for me.
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby conjurer » November 14th 2015, 12:01am

jaw wrote:Good one Don, thanks. I have the Citizen F100 (my feeble mini review) and really like it. Tried hard to go for the Astron but earlier models were just too big and chunky for me.


You should post a pic of it and say "Mine says hi!"
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby jaw » November 14th 2015, 12:09am

conjurer wrote:
jaw wrote:Good one Don, thanks. I have the Citizen F100 (my feeble mini review) and really like it. Tried hard to go for the Astron but earlier models were just too big and chunky for me.


You should post a pic of it and say "Mine says hi!"


If this were WIT, I certainly would.
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby eddiea » November 14th 2015, 5:32am

Don Barzini wrote:The Citizen CC1084-63E is my favorite of the GPS watches. It is size prohibitive for me at 48mm.

The "official" 48mm case size given to the CC1084-63E is very, very deceptive they are counting the pushers , crown protector and crown itself ....the watch case is about 44 mm and it is my subjective personal opinion, that it actually wears smaller than that , put one on your wrist is the only way to go ...
As a side note, the combination of brushed/ mirror polished titanium case and bracelet of the CC1084-63E, is the best I have seen so far...Image
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby jason_recliner » November 14th 2015, 5:54am

God I love that watch.
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby Don Barzini » November 14th 2015, 8:41am

I saw it at AZ Fine Time and have looked at it several times on the Citizen website. Unfortunately the length at about 52mm puts it just past wearable for me. Those green touches make my heart flutter. It's beautiful no doubt. Here are some legit pics of the Wave I have from our "friend" Ariel Adams. http://www.ablogtowatch.com/citizen-sat ... 150-watch/
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby eddiea » November 14th 2015, 9:23am

Don Barzini wrote:I saw it at AZ Fine Time and have looked at it several times on the Citizen website. Unfortunately the length at about 52mm puts it just past wearable for me. Those green touches make my heart flutter. It's beautiful no doubt. Here are some legit pics of the Wave I have from our "friend" Ariel Adams. http://www.ablogtowatch.com/citizen-sat ... 150-watch/

The Wave looks cool 8-)
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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby Don Barzini » November 14th 2015, 10:31am

Here are some better comparative pics, perhaps. The Citizen I like for its conservative, simple good-looks. The Seiko appeals to me for its not-so-subtle glitz; plus I do use a chrono feature. If I am traveling and choose just one, the choice is easy – it’s the Citizen...maybe.

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Re: 2015 Seiko Astron Chrono v. 2015 Citizen Wave

Postby Pete26 » August 2nd 2016, 2:16pm

Great comparo. I have the Sat wave, great timekeeper, one question is the F150 jewelled? I would assume it was but not sure.

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