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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby artman » May 31st 2015, 3:31pm

Tzimisces wrote:Hawk Johnson is right. Invicter is a poor gateway for the hobby.

AJC Johnson is right. Want a quality gateway? But a Seiko 5. This past week Amazon had the pilot Seiko 5 for the princely sum of $45.

Conjuror Johnson is right. Geeks is mostly all of Them is Morons!!!!!!! Lololol!!!!!!!!

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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby NorthCountry » May 31st 2015, 6:13pm

As stated elsewhere here on watchlords, if you are selective and stay under 120 dollars, Invicta does indeed offer some watches that are a fine gateway into collecting. The 8926OB pro diver at 40mm is an example. Throw in the grand diver as well for the more portly gentleman. Other than that, you take your chances with everything else they produce. If you like Invicta, it is no skin off my nose. Just don't come crying you weren't warned.
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby tiktok » May 31st 2015, 7:44pm

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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby jason_recliner » May 31st 2015, 8:40pm

Falstaff wrote:Invicter? Gimmicky, tasteless, contrived fashion watches manufactured by a shady, amoral opportunist, marketed by disingenuous shills to the ill-informed, socially inept who desperately wish to attract attention by gaudy display. As much a "gateway" to horology as Mickey D's is to gastronomy.


But other than that, not all bad. Except those where the hands fell off, and those made from common and not collectible materials other than promised. And those fitted with silicone 'dive' straps which can be ripped apart by hand - a hand, no less, than that of Eyore Lilo hisself...
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby bedlam » May 31st 2015, 10:32pm

Welcome DC.

You won't get a hearing for any Invicta apologetics here. Lots of awesome horological stuff to be interested in that doesn't require dredging through the Invicta sludge to find. So why would you want us to?
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby tiktok » May 31st 2015, 11:26pm

Hawk wrote:I came here largely ignorant of Invicter and TV watch brands in general. I was a recent member of the unfortunate acronym WTF, WUS and Watchgeeks and still on the steep end of the learning curve.

However I did come here with a deep and abiding disdain for television marketing channels generally so I may have found it easier than most to jump on the Invicter disdain bandwagon.

This was due to my not believing a damn word of the "gateway to fine timepieces" meme based on unrelated fields that I had grown somewhat familiar with.

At the top of the heap was television cutlery. This abortion hardly ever led from buying junk blingy knives to quality knives - maybe about one in a thousand.

The overwhelming majority of invictims don't go from Invicter to say, Tissot - they graduate to more invicters until they've built up a hoard of staggering proportions. Sometimes they'll pull a lateral into Android or Stuhrling but there's no progress; it's just junk of a different stripe.

I could probably change my mind about invicter or any other TV brand if presented evidence that even 5% of invictims learned and grew.

To this day I only know of one single lonely example. It is such a rare thing I even believe I recall the user name - Sober Dave or something similar wound up in the fullness of time with a pretty nice selection. I don't know if he managed to get better than 20 cents on the dollar when liquidating his invicters. I suspect not and I harbor speculation that he wasn't all that sober while amassing the bulk of the TV watch collection.

Indeed if people did use TV watches as a gateway I would probably think different of them. But it is so rare as to be functionally non-existent. TV watches are the Mos Isley of horology: a wretched hive of scum and villainy.


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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby boscoe » June 1st 2015, 6:43am

Eyal Lalo has always claimed Invicta is a "starter" watch for beginning horologists. Which is fine.
But he then takes advantage of their ignorance.
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby hcharles » June 1st 2015, 7:31am

Find it odd, DCwatchgeek that you signed up March, 2015 and wait till now to post. The first post is about a different perspective on Invicter.
You mentioned that you have read about Invicter here, yet you still want to beat a dead horse. Your initial post is not an introduction post, but rather a "take the bait" post to elicit a response from us. Find your story rings rather hollow, and is a fishing expedition.
Do yourself a favor and find another forum that will buy your story. :hhiinndgl: :horse:
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby foghorn » June 1st 2015, 11:14am

hcharles wrote:Find it odd, DCwatchgeek that you signed up March, 2015 and wait till now to post. The first post is about a different perspective on Invicter.
You mentioned that you have read about Invicter here, yet you still want to beat a dead horse. Your initial post is not an introduction post, but rather a "take the bait" post to elicit a response from us. Find your story rings rather hollow, and is a fishing expedition.
Do yourself a favor and find another forum that will buy your story. :hhiinndgl: :horse:




He needed some time to create a "back story" that would gain him relatively easy acceptance here.
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby Kahuna74 » June 1st 2015, 12:19pm

DCwatchgeek wrote:Just curious...what part do you deem bogus? I do not own an Invicta watch. So if you gather or infer that I am shilling for them you are mistaken. But for whatever reason the level of pure unadulterated hatred for this company... and anyone who dares not follow along lockstep... has made me interested in the people who feel that their time is better spent bashing than educating. Why are you so intent on hating anything much less a Watch Company? Note: I have read 100's of posts related to this Company and I'm not here to defend them, but find it difficult to understand the time and energy spent hating this brand could not be effectively used another way. Not a sermon just a thought.

I find it interesting that you seem to be missing the point. I have owned them.They suck. One I bought new, arrived not running, it was New, but Broken. ALL of them are worth a lot less than they are sold for. Eyor lies about his product. Customer service is a joke. Watches are a joke. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Only one talking about hate here is you. Some of us have already moved way past inshita.
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby koimaster » June 1st 2015, 12:30pm

Well I suppose a welcome is in order although this is not the intro forum.

At any rate, to respond to your post I offer the following -

At one time inflicta offered a decent watch at a fair price point but then someone IMHO got a bit too greedy.

Swiss Made reserve watches became Chinese made reserve. CS which was never any good to begin with went further into the tank. Considering that the watches are shipped to Panama or China for repairs it can take a year to get your $100 watch repaired.

The third generation watchmaker eyal lalo ( his unsubstantiated claim at TZ) started lying through his teeth as if there was no tomorrow. Some of us actually do give a shit if the watch we buy is made where it is claimed to be made.

Russian diver bullshit story debunked at BDWF, Watchlords and WTF as well as by the Russians.
Sandstone dials which were really plastic despite all of the claims by lalo and his lemmings
Swiss Made in Thailand or Malaysia
Bonded and layered gold bullshit
Fake Diamonds
Fake Mother of Pearl from a toxic Chinese lake
Fake relationship with Dupraz
Fake Swiss factories
Fake $78,000 value of watches donated to an Army platoon


I could go on but that is the primary reason most of us cannot stomach the owners or shills that sell Invicta including it seems the new guy who I have given a pass to up until this point. Of course there was Watchgeeks, the sales forum for Inflicta with bannings for speaking the truth, PMs which could and were read by the owners and mods there. Grumpy user hacks, software hacks that scrambled letters in sig files and avatars. Calling anyone who did not grovel at the anus of lalo and his shills haters when the real haters and snobs were them.

While I can see the fanbois perspective on buying affordable watches, many of these people from what I have read over the years seem to be disabled or jump on some fan bandwagon. When Invicta shut watchgeeks down (I suspect to bury all of the complaints about them), then blamed a former shill for doing it, the rabid fanbois turned on him in many cases and then moved on to "master wing". Now that "master wing" of android has removed himself from the scene for the time being, many have gone back to invicta or the Russian watches. These are not people looking to learn about watches.

These folks hoard watches or so it appears with claims of 80-200 watches from one brand. WTF! Invicta is a fashion brand with nothing to give to the horology community except a bad taste IMHO. Fossil is also a fashion brand but you do not see the thousands of bad reviews or complaints about them across every watch forum on the net. Some of these followers actually think inflicta is a watch company which it is not. They are a marketing company which is bad enough but they lie and lie and these fanbois ignore it. This forum has tried to educate them and others for the last 5 years to little avail. Fuck them as far as I am concerned. I no longer have the time to put up with these fools. Buy a Seiko, a fossil or Michael Kors, I no longer care. They are even free to join here but this is not a tv watch brand love fest. Almost all of us do care about horology and many have or still own Invicta. android etc but know what they purchase because they researched.
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby Tzimisces » June 1st 2015, 4:29pm

The level of animus related to the brand and the associated mouthpieces is astonishing to me...

..lol..

the level of pure unadulterated hatred

feel that their time is better spent bashing

Why are you so intent on hating


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Only a geek gives a shit about "bashing", "hating", and what others think about a particular brand. I like Froot Loops, and yet I fail to notice or care that Lucky Charms aficionados hate and bash my beloved brand. Only invictards care.

You should try WatchinTym, the geek refugee camp. Tell Chuckles we said hi.
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby jaw » June 1st 2015, 4:41pm

DCwatchgeek wrote:...Your just lucky that Invicta is not as sophisticated as the Hayeks....


So true Tz, not to mention the improper use of "your".

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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby DCwatchgeek » June 1st 2015, 8:59pm

Well I hear you loud and clear. What's that the kids say, "Haters gonna Hate". Oops I capitalized hate twice...lol...I must assume a number of you have been ripped off in some way by Invicta? The reactions are akin to having your girl cheat on you. I'd be bitter as well. Sorry if you were brutally AssFucked by Invicta. And not even a reach around...lol

Look I am a big Ariel Adams Fan. I find what he does a real service to our passion, but to hear it here I must assume the forum is populated with Archie Luxury fans...
Hope not. Again I joined because I do think there is a great deal of interesting opinions and some of the stuff is quite funny. I am coming from the perspective of someone who spent my first 2 decades collecting timepieces in the 80's and 90's getting nothing but grief from anyone and everyone who could tell me how useless a watch was. Fast forward to today and in the last 15 years I have seen the watch world return to the place of respect it deserves. Forums like Watchlords are certainly a big part of that. For me any brand that has been a part of returning the timepiece back to its proper place on the wrists of the world is not a negative to me. I will never post anything about Fossil I promise....lol
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby Racer-X » June 1st 2015, 9:08pm

DCwatchgeek wrote:Well I hear you loud and clear. What's that the kids say, "Haters gonna Hate". Oops I capitalized hate twice...lol...I must assume a number of you have been ripped off in some way by Invicta? The reactions are akin to having your girl cheat on you. I'd be bitter as well. Sorry if you were brutally AssFucked by Invicta. And not even a reach around...lol

Look I am a big Ariel Adams Fan. I find what he does a real service to our passion, but to hear it here I must assume the forum is populated with Archie Luxury fans...
Hope not. Again I joined because I do think there is a great deal of interesting opinions and some of the stuff is quite funny. I am coming from the perspective of someone who spent my first 2 decades collecting timepieces in the 80's and 90's getting nothing but grief from anyone and everyone who could tell me how useless a watch was. Fast forward to today and in the last 15 years I have seen the watch world return to the place of respect it deserves. Forums like Watchlords are certainly a big part of that. For me any brand that has been a part of returning the timepiece back to its proper place on the wrists of the world is not a negative to me. I will never post anything about Fossil I promise....lol



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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby conjurer » June 1st 2015, 9:47pm

DCwatchgeek wrote:Well I hear you loud and clear. What's that the kids say, "Haters gonna Hate". Oops I capitalized hate twice...lol...I must assume a number of you have been ripped off in some way by Invicta? The reactions are akin to having your girl cheat on you. I'd be bitter as well. Sorry if you were brutally AssFucked by Invicta. And not even a reach around...lol

Look I am a big Ariel Adams Fan. I find what he does a real service to our passion, but to hear it here I must assume the forum is populated with Archie Luxury fans...
Hope not. Again I joined because I do think there is a great deal of interesting opinions and some of the stuff is quite funny. I am coming from the perspective of someone who spent my first 2 decades collecting timepieces in the 80's and 90's getting nothing but grief from anyone and everyone who could tell me how useless a watch was. Fast forward to today and in the last 15 years I have seen the watch world return to the place of respect it deserves. Forums like Watchlords are certainly a big part of that. For me any brand that has been a part of returning the timepiece back to its proper place on the wrists of the world is not a negative to me. I will never post anything about Fossil I promise....lol


Actually, DC, not many of us here are Archie Luxury fans--nor are a lot of us REL Adams fans, either. I myself don't overly mind either Archie, who is interesting to me as a slow-motion train-wreck of a human being, nor do I mind REL, since sometimes there are nuggets of gold in his Very Informative Reviews--very small nuggets, to be sure, but sometimes one can find them.

What we are here are the Watchlords. We don't need somebody telling us what to buy--we simply seek the truth. Are there Invicters worth owning? Possibly. Some here have brought up the original Prodiver, which is a Rollie Sub homage. The early ones, with the Miyota movement, were OK, if you can't spend a penny over a hundred bucks. For a little more than that you can buy a Seiko 007 or an Orient Mako, which will get you a watch with a certain history, a manufacture movement, and a watch that will run, possibly accurately, for many, many years. What does Invicta promise us? Nothing but heartache and shame and disdain. Some would say, quite correctly, that the Invicta Prodiver is Good Enough for a beater, something to wear while you're working on your car or cutting your lawn. Possibly, but I'm 54 years old, and I'm too old to waste another day of my life wearing an Invicta. I've got a G-Shock I can wear while cutting my lawn.

We seek the truth here. Archie Luxury is nothing more than a douchebag who had succeeded in fucking up his own life to the point that he resembles my brother-in-law. REL Adams kowtows to the watch companies so he can get free shit to review. Most fora have advertisers they have to keep happy to keep the doors open. Here we kowtow to nobody. Here manufacturers can come and and get feedback about their watches and they know they'll get the straight dope. We are so proud of our independance from manufacturers that we gladly put watches up for auction in order to raise funds to prevent us from having to have advertising.

We are not Archie Luxury cartoon snobs here. Certainly, we break balls, but the way we feel, the way I feel, is that the WIS who can only afford a Fossil or a Gee but is interested in watches and horology is our brother. Some of us are well-heeled and can afford very expensive watches, while others here are on a tight budget. We are all brothers (and sisters) in that we value what true WISs have to say, and we can learn from them. Here we post reviews that are not ass-licking, because we value the truth. Here we can be brutally honest. There's no place else out there on the web (that I know about) where this is true.

Invicta is a shell game, a losing bet, a carny act for the rubes. They value the money they can rake in from the mouth-breathing hayseeds who buy their act, who want a big boat or a Pony Farm or whateverthefuck, but the truth is beyond them, just as it's beyond the knuckleheads who defend them, who buy them. Invicta certainly doesn't value the truth, because that's the worst thing they can do--the truth will stop hapless wretches like the Geeks from buying their shit, their worthless bullshit watches, their transparent and shoddy glimpse of the Good Life.

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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby jason_recliner » June 1st 2015, 11:02pm

I think he's gone.
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby koimaster » June 1st 2015, 11:45pm

Well i have say i do not think he is trolling. The posts are articulate and spelling errors aside, at the end of the day only time will tell how he fits with members here or how the forum fits him. Members of this site are not cookie cutter types. People forget that this forum is based on adult to adult conversations, differing opinions and tastes. Diamante is a good example of a proud invicta owner and I for one am glad diamante, invicta lover or not is here.

Not too sure how I feel about archie luxury still being a non posting member here though.


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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby jason_recliner » June 1st 2015, 11:59pm

On the plus side, it's better than him being a posting member.
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby foghorn » June 2nd 2015, 5:21am

conjurer wrote:
Actually, DC, not many of us here are Archie Luxury fans--nor are a lot of us REL Adams fans, either. I myself don't overly mind either Archie, who is interesting to me as a slow-motion train-wreck of a human being, nor do I mind REL, since sometimes there are nuggets of gold in his Very Informative Reviews--very small nuggets, to be sure, but sometimes one can find them.

What we are here are the Watchlords. We don't need somebody telling us what to buy--we simply seek the truth. Are there Invicters worth owning? Possibly. Some here have brought up the original Prodiver, which is a Rollie Sub homage. The early ones, with the Miyota movement, were OK, if you can't spend a penny over a hundred bucks. For a little more than that you can buy a Seiko 007 or an Orient Mako, which will get you a watch with a certain history, a manufacture movement, and a watch that will run, possibly accurately, for many, many years. What does Invicta promise us? Nothing but heartache and shame and disdain. Some would say, quite correctly, that the Invicta Prodiver is Good Enough for a beater, something to wear while you're working on your car or cutting your lawn. Possibly, but I'm 54 years old, and I'm too old to waste another day of my life wearing an Invicta. I've got a G-Shock I can wear while cutting my lawn.

We seek the truth here. Archie Luxury is nothing more than a douchebag who had succeeded in fucking up his own life to the point that he resembles my brother-in-law. REL Adams kowtows to the watch companies so he can get free shit to review. Most fora have advertisers they have to keep happy to keep the doors open. Here we kowtow to nobody. Here manufacturers can come and and get feedback about their watches and they know they'll get the straight dope. We are so proud of our independance from manufacturers that we gladly put watches up for auction in order to raise funds to prevent us from having to have advertising.

We are not Archie Luxury cartoon snobs here. Certainly, we break balls, but the way we feel, the way I feel, is that the WIS who can only afford a Fossil or a Gee but is interested in watches and horology is our brother. Some of us are well-heeled and can afford very expensive watches, while others here are on a tight budget. We are all brothers (and sisters) in that we value what true WISs have to say, and we can learn from them. Here we post reviews that are not ass-licking, because we value the truth. Here we can be brutally honest. There's no place else out there on the web (that I know about) where this is true.

Invicta is a shell game, a losing bet, a carny act for the rubes. They value the money they can rake in from the mouth-breathing hayseeds who buy their act, who want a big boat or a Pony Farm or whateverthefuck, but the truth is beyond them, just as it's beyond the knuckleheads who defend them, who buy them. Invicta certainly doesn't value the truth, because that's the worst thing they can do--the truth will stop hapless wretches like the Geeks from buying their shit, their worthless bullshit watches, their transparent and shoddy glimpse of the Good Life.

That's what we are here. We are Watchlords. This is where the Elite Meet To Beat Their Meat. Here, the truth shall set you free. We are already free, because we are the Lords.




Well stated sir. Thanks for posting this! :mrgreen:


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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby Kahuna74 » June 2nd 2015, 6:01am

Very well said conj. And Koi, I agree with you too, we have members here who own invicta's, nobody gives them a hard time. Same with fossil, and a list of other brands. But like we keep saying, over and over again ,and again, the members here know what they are. They are not trying to claim they are better than a Rolex, or Omega, or that they are chic magnets. We keep it fucking real here. And I for one have learned a lot from this Great Forum. It is the best on the web.
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby Hawk » June 2nd 2015, 8:06am

Part of what I found intriguing about the Lalo's strained relationship with the truth is that he would quite literally lie when the truth would have served him better - even in marketing product.

At least that's what I thought when he marched that friggin' rock on stage to crow about natural sandstone. I suspect that no one that didn't sleep through high school geology, along with most that did, would know that putting thin-sliced natural sandstone in a watch was right up there on the list of Profoundly Bad Ideas.

SWI and a couple others sold "sandstone" watches. 99% of those watching just assumed it was synthetic and everyone was happy. But the Lalo introduces a sedimentary rock to the viewing audience as if to say: "Yes, dammit, I am in actual point of fact that fucking stupid. I will put sand in a watch movement and call it good".

The eco friendly lake was a mis-step because they had to assume they were the only people with access to the internet - a really special kind of stupid given as they hosted an online forum yet not one swinging dick in all of IWG thought someone would Google the lake's name.

And some bullshit was so breathtakingly obviously egregious bullshit no research was needed. Two functioning neurons would suffice. "Only the top 10% of Swiss Watchmakers" comes immediately to mind - along with the mental picture of Patek and AP and the like shutting down while their employees flocked to Montres Lalo for a week's worth of day labor.

Given the litany of bullshit, lies and deception punctuated by inadvertent fuck-ups it's hard to pick a favorite but I'm going with the "only the top 10%".
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Re: Different Perspective on Invicta....

Postby Kahuna74 » June 2nd 2015, 10:48am

Hawk wrote:Part of what I found intriguing about the Lalo's strained relationship with the truth is that he would quite literally lie when the truth would have served him better - even in marketing product.

At least that's what I thought when he marched that friggin' rock on stage to crow about natural sandstone. I suspect that no one that didn't sleep through high school geology, along with most that did, would know that putting thin-sliced natural sandstone in a watch was right up there on the list of Profoundly Bad Ideas.

SWI and a couple others sold "sandstone" watches. 99% of those watching just assumed it was synthetic and everyone was happy. But the Lalo introduces a sedimentary rock to the viewing audience as if to say: "Yes, dammit, I am in actual point of fact that fucking stupid. I will put sand in a watch movement and call it good".

The eco friendly lake was a mis-step because they had to assume they were the only people with access to the internet - a really special kind of stupid given as they hosted an online forum yet not one swinging dick in all of IWG thought someone would Google the lake's name.

And some bullshit was so breathtakingly obviously egregious bullshit no research was needed. Two functioning neurons would suffice. "Only the top 10% of Swiss Watchmakers" comes immediately to mind - along with the mental picture of Patek and AP and the like shutting down while their employees flocked to Montres Lalo for a week's worth of day labor.

Given the litany of bullshit, lies and deception punctuated by inadvertent fuck-ups it's hard to pick a favorite but I'm going with the "only the top 10%".

^ I had forgot about that one.
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