Longines 13zn, need help

Longines 13zn, need help

Postby Maddy » June 2nd 2015, 1:30pm

Hi,

My brothers and I inherited this Longines 13zn from our father. Because we didn't know what this watch was worth we contacted Longines for more information and at first they wanted the buy the watch! This is their first reply:

Dear Mrs M.,We thank you for contacting us and for your interest in Longines watches.Originally, the serial number 6989700 identifies a wrist-chronograph in steel bearing the reference 5699, fitted with a Longines manually wound mechanical movement, caliber 13ZN. It was invoiced on 25.10.1948 to the company Wittnauer, which was at that time our agent for the USA.We are in fact interested in buying your watch for our Museum, and are ready to offer you � 26'000.- for it. We hope that this proposal will be acceptable to you and are looking forward to hearing from you.Besides, could you please send us additional pictures of the case back of the watch ?Waiting for your reply, we remain at your entire disposal for any additional information you may require.

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So after this I've send them pictures of the watch and then this was their answer:

Dear Mrs M.,After having checked all the pictures with our expert watchmakers, it appears that the case back of the watch is not original, the dial has most probably been redone, and one of the hands (the silver one) has also been changed or modified (it should have been red originally). In view of these observations, we renounce buying this watch for our own collections.Nevertheless, you may wish to contact auction houses such as Sotheby's, Christie's or Antiquorum, specialist online sales websites or antique dealers with expertise in watches.You should not encounter any difficulty in selling this timepiece, which comprises the 13ZN caliber, one of the most sought after amongst Longines movements.We sincerely thank you for your proposal and wish you full success for the sale of your chronograph.Naturally, we remain at your disposal for any enquiry you may have on Longines watches in the future.Kind regards,

I've got this potential buyer who is willing to pay $3.000,-. I'm just not sure what I should ask? Could you help me out? I would be forever grateful!
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby svaglic » June 2nd 2015, 1:40pm

Why don't you guys hire someone to sell the watches for you? If you guys don't know about watches and are unable to research for yourselves, then pay someone else to do it.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby Maddy » June 2nd 2015, 1:42pm

Ah, but we did. Some watches went to Christies! And others to a vintage collector in Amsterdam. Don't get me wrong. We are able to do research for ourselves, but some watches are rare.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby koimaster » June 2nd 2015, 2:11pm

$3,000 is a fair price for a watch that is not original but Market value for an original is about 20K so given that original parts can be located with a bit of effort, I would hold out for $5-7k.

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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby svaglic » June 2nd 2015, 3:01pm

Maddy wrote:Ah, but we did. Some watches went to Christies! And others to a vintage collector in Amsterdam. Don't get me wrong. We are able to do research for ourselves, but some watches are rare.


Lets see some pictures. It sounds like your fathers collection is pretty awesome.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby gerdson » June 2nd 2015, 10:13pm

Vintage Longines Chronographs are freaking expensive. I don't think 3000 is enough, but it really depends on the condition. Pics now!
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby Maddy » June 2nd 2015, 10:26pm

First of all thank you all for replying to this thread. It's a beautiful watch, but a hard one for me to find out what to do with it since not everything is original..

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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby conjurer » June 2nd 2015, 10:52pm

That's a beautiful fucking watch, Maddy. Welcome to the forum, goddamn it!
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby jason_recliner » June 2nd 2015, 10:57pm

Damn that's nice.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby Maddy » June 2nd 2015, 11:00pm

conjurer wrote:That's a beautiful fucking watch, Maddy. Welcome to the forum, goddamn it!


Yes it is! And thanks!
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby conjurer » June 2nd 2015, 11:08pm

Maddy wrote:
conjurer wrote:That's a beautiful fucking watch, Maddy. Welcome to the forum, goddamn it!


Yes it is! And thanks!


No problemo.

I know it's none of my business, and I myself would have been glad to gyp Longines out of twenty-six large, but as it was your dad's, perhaps you might want to keep the thing around. You know, for old time's sake.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby Maddy » June 3rd 2015, 12:17am

Well I've kept about 10 watches and my brothers did too.. Problem is the taxes in the Netherlands. So in order to pay that we really have to sell..

But I've kept a nice Longines 13zn, 18k with hooded lugs. Also beautiful!
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby biglove » June 3rd 2015, 4:34am

Your father, obviously, had excellent tastes in watches.

I am far from anything close to an expert and my knowledge of vintage Longines is minimal; but, I would expect $5K or more from the one above.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby TemerityB » June 3rd 2015, 7:27am

I dunno. In the collector's market, refinished dials really do bring the price of the watches down. Serious collectors covet all original - even if the faces are faded and the hands have oxidized or rusted.

After seeing the watch, I think the 3K isn't an awful offer. Just my two cents.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby Kahuna74 » June 3rd 2015, 7:50am

TemerityB wrote:I dunno. In the collector's market, refinished dials really do bring the price of the watches down. Serious collectors covet all original - even if the faces are faded and the hands have oxidized or rusted.

After seeing the watch, I think the 3K isn't an awful offer. Just my two cents.

I agree, and I think having the wrong case back is a big deal, as well with collectors. And that would be the hard one to replace.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby biglove » June 3rd 2015, 8:43am

Kahuna74 wrote:
TemerityB wrote:I dunno. In the collector's market, refinished dials really do bring the price of the watches down. Serious collectors covet all original - even if the faces are faded and the hands have oxidized or rusted.

After seeing the watch, I think the 3K isn't an awful offer. Just my two cents.

I agree, and I think having the wrong case back is a big deal, as well with collectors. And that would be the hard one to replace.


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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby Maddy » June 3rd 2015, 11:02am

TemerityB wrote:I dunno. In the collector's market, refinished dials really do bring the price of the watches down. Serious collectors covet all original - even if the faces are faded and the hands have oxidized or rusted.

After seeing the watch, I think the 3K isn't an awful offer. Just my two cents.


Thank you and yes I thought the same. The refinished dial and the case back not being original had me thinking, but since the price of an authentic watch was so high I couldn't figure out the right price. Thanks again.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby Maddy » June 3rd 2015, 11:02am

biglove wrote:
Kahuna74 wrote:
TemerityB wrote:I dunno. In the collector's market, refinished dials really do bring the price of the watches down. Serious collectors covet all original - even if the faces are faded and the hands have oxidized or rusted.

After seeing the watch, I think the 3K isn't an awful offer. Just my two cents.

I agree, and I think having the wrong case back is a big deal, as well with collectors. And that would be the hard one to replace.


I defer to those with more knowledge. See, I don't know squat! ;)


Haha, me neither! No worries.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby gerdson » June 3rd 2015, 11:46am

Maddy wrote:
TemerityB wrote:I dunno. In the collector's market, refinished dials really do bring the price of the watches down. Serious collectors covet all original - even if the faces are faded and the hands have oxidized or rusted.

After seeing the watch, I think the 3K isn't an awful offer. Just my two cents.


Thank you and yes I thought the same. The refinished dial and the case back not being original had me thinking, but since the price of an authentic watch was so high I couldn't figure out the right price. Thanks again.


I don't agree with that. To call vintage Longines Chronographs "sought-after" is more than a slight understatement. I wouldn't let it go for 3000 USD without getting another opinion or setting it up for auction.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby Kahuna74 » June 3rd 2015, 11:49am

gerdson wrote:
Maddy wrote:
TemerityB wrote:I dunno. In the collector's market, refinished dials really do bring the price of the watches down. Serious collectors covet all original - even if the faces are faded and the hands have oxidized or rusted.

After seeing the watch, I think the 3K isn't an awful offer. Just my two cents.


Thank you and yes I thought the same. The refinished dial and the case back not being original had me thinking, but since the price of an authentic watch was so high I couldn't figure out the right price. Thanks again.


I don't agree with that. To call vintage Longines Chronographs "sought-after" is more than a slight understatement. I wouldn't let it go for 3000 USD without getting another opinion or setting it up for auction.

I think you should try to get as much as you can for it. I am sure there is someone out there who would spend more than 3 large. You just have to decided on how long you what to wait for a sale really.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby Maddy » June 3rd 2015, 12:03pm

Is it an idea to put it on Ebay with a startingbid of $3.000,-?
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby JAS1125 » June 3rd 2015, 12:20pm

Maddy wrote:Is it an idea to put it on Ebay with a startingbid of $3.000,-?


Welcome to the forum.

Personally, I dislike Ebay for a variety of reasons, but you could consider listing it for sale here. This site is one of several that Watchrecon.com uses as "collection" site for sale and you'd get more exposure to people who can truly appreciate the value of the watch.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby Maddy » June 3rd 2015, 12:21pm

JAS1125 wrote:
Maddy wrote:Is it an idea to put it on Ebay with a startingbid of $3.000,-?


Welcome to the forum.

Personally, I dislike Ebay for a variety of reasons, but you could consider listing it for sale here. This site is one of several that Watchrecon.com uses as "collection" site for sale and you'd get more exposure to people who can truly appreciate the value of the watch.


Thank you, I did not know that!
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby conjurer » June 3rd 2015, 4:45pm

Fuck Ebay. You should take the watches to an appraiser or directly to an auction house. Until somebody who really knows what they're talking about looks very closely at them, you really don't know what you're trying to sell, and that's the biggest way to get hosed that there is.
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Re: Longines 13zn, need help

Postby Maddy » June 4th 2015, 1:38am

Hi,

We tried both. There will be 3 auctiondates for other watches, but when a watch is not fully original they won't auction it off.

That's why we still have this one..
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