A lack of understanding of ballistics

A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby biglove » June 29th 2017, 4:43am

How is this kind of stupidity possible?

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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby bobbee » June 29th 2017, 5:16am

Everyone has access to guns in the US.
It's entirely possible that some (many) are idiots. :lol:
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby Wasp » June 29th 2017, 5:46am

In NJ one needs to take an 8 hour course and test just to operate a 1hp motor on a canoe. A federally mandated safety course with graphic video of what bullets can do is in order.

Bullet physics aren't grasped by the majority of gun owners.
Cases in point:
A women traveling at a fairly high rate of speed in her car. She had a horrendous bloody wreck. Turns out she had the driver side window down less than .5 inch and a 22 cal bullet fired from a mile (or .5 I forget) away went through the crack and caught her in the grape.

I fired a 1911 at a target 40 feet away. The slug came absolutly straight back up my sight line and hit me. The bullet looked like a shiny dot and went to a rose gold garbage can lid just before it hit. The slug bounced off my bony eyebrow and hit my partner in the lip and teeth. He was standing DIRECTLY BEHIND me looking over my shoulder me for safety. :-o ....and I'm ehhhhh trained.
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby biglove » June 29th 2017, 6:12am

Wasp wrote:In NJ one needs to take an 8 hour course and test just to operate a 1hp motor on a canoe. A federally mandated safety course with graphic video of what bullets can do is in order.

Bullet physics aren't grasped by the majority of gun owners.
Cases in point:
A women traveling at a fairly high rate of speed in her car. She had a horrendous bloody wreck. Turns out she had the driver side window down less than .5 inch and a 22 cal bullet fired from a mile (or .5 I forget) away went through the crack and caught her in the grape.

I fired a 1911 at a target 40 feet away. The slug came absolutly straight back up my sight line and hit me. The bullet looked like a shiny dot and went to a rose gold garbage can lid just before it hit. The slug bounced off my bony eyebrow and hit my partner in the lip and teeth. He was standing DIRECTLY BEHIND me looking over my shoulder me for safety. :-o ....and I'm ehhhhh trained.



Dad talked about the realization of ricochets when firing a .30 cal with tracers while in the Army.
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby AJC » June 29th 2017, 6:44am

bobbee wrote:Everyone has access to guns in the US.


Not true. At least legally speaking...
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby Hawk » June 29th 2017, 6:59am

It won't be long before CDC is tracking "Youtube Darwinism" as a cause of death.

Getting intentionally shot in an attempt to get one's youtube numbers into the rare air where Archie Luxury lives is stupid enough. Doing so with a 50AE just puts the cherry on top.

It's also more expensive than alternative youtube-darwin suicides.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/dangerous- ... d=17342485

Pity about the girl - accidentally kills somebody she loves and gets a manslaughter charge in the bargain. What a shitty way to start a long weekend. Probably has a wrenched wrist just to add to the misery.
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby bedlam » June 29th 2017, 8:24am

The scientist in me wonders why you wouldn't test the process before putting your body on the line. That is some straight-up raw stupidity.
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby svaglic » June 29th 2017, 11:49am

Ruiz and Perez already had one child together, with a second on the way. Ruiz’s aunt stated, “He wanted to have so many babies. I remember him telling me.”
Thank god only half that DNA can be passed on now

Perez, 20, is currently under arrest on charges of reckless discharge of a firearm. Her first court appearance was today.
She is currently seven months pregnant with Ruiz’s second child, a boy, who will be named Pedro, after his father.

Oh boy, in about 20 years we can read about a I tried to top my dad video
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby bobbee » June 29th 2017, 12:01pm

Wasp wrote:In NJ one needs to take an 8 hour course and test just to operate a 1hp motor on a canoe. A federally mandated safety course with graphic video of what bullets can do is in order.

Bullet physics aren't grasped by the majority of gun owners.
Cases in point:
A women traveling at a fairly high rate of speed in her car. She had a horrendous bloody wreck. Turns out she had the driver side window down less than .5 inch and a 22 cal bullet fired from a mile (or .5 I forget) away went through the crack and caught her in the grape.

I fired a 1911 at a target 40 feet away. The slug came absolutly straight back up my sight line and hit me. The bullet looked like a shiny dot and went to a rose gold garbage can lid just before it hit. The slug bounced off my bony eyebrow and hit my partner in the lip and teeth. He was standing DIRECTLY BEHIND me looking over my shoulder me for safety. :-o ....and I'm ehhhhh trained.



Wow, scary indeed. I bet you didn't have time until later to be scared though!
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby bobbee » June 29th 2017, 12:04pm

AJC wrote:
bobbee wrote:Everyone has access to guns in the US.


Not true. At least legally speaking...


Can't anyone have an air rifle, even if powerful enough to kill? Or a shotgun?
Not sure but I thought it was true, as I saw it on a vintage airgun site.
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby Tzimisces » June 29th 2017, 12:20pm

bobbee wrote:
AJC wrote:
bobbee wrote:Everyone has access to guns in the US.


Not true. At least legally speaking...


Can't anyone have an air rifle, even if powerful enough to kill? Or a shotgun?
Not sure but I thought it was true, as I saw it on a vintage airgun site.

Depends on state and local laws. In Virginia, be 18 and pass a background check (usually a few minutes) to buy a gun. I think a pistol is 21.
I don't know about BB guns and such. Probably 16 or 18, but no checks. They're just on a shelf, put it in your cart along with the whiskey and porn, and head for the cashier.
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby bobbee » June 29th 2017, 1:14pm

Tzimisces wrote:
bobbee wrote:
AJC wrote:
bobbee wrote:Everyone has access to guns in the US.


Not true. At least legally speaking...


Can't anyone have an air rifle, even if powerful enough to kill? Or a shotgun?
Not sure but I thought it was true, as I saw it on a vintage airgun site.

Depends on state and local laws. In Virginia, be 18 and pass a background check (usually a few minutes) to buy a gun. I think a pistol is 21.
I don't know about BB guns and such. Probably 16 or 18, but no checks. They're just on a shelf, put it in your cart along with the whiskey and porn, and head for the cashier.


What about hunting air rifles? Are they lumped in with "BB guns", even though they are easily capable of killing a man?
Some of the pre-charged modern air rifles are extremely powerful.
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby Wasp » June 29th 2017, 1:44pm

Tzimisces wrote:
bobbee wrote:
AJC wrote:
bobbee wrote:Everyone has access to guns in the US.


Not true. At least legally speaking...


Can't anyone have an air rifle, even if powerful enough to kill? Or a shotgun?
Not sure but I thought it was true, as I saw it on a vintage airgun site.

Depends on state and local laws. In Virginia, be 18 and pass a background check (usually a few minutes) to buy a gun. I think a pistol is 21.
I don't know about BB guns and such. Probably 16 or 18, but no checks. They're just on a shelf, put it in your cart along with the whiskey and porn, and head for the cashier.


In NJ any air rifle or BB gun is considered a firearm (just like a 30-06 rifle) and a Firearms ID card is required for the purchase.
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby bobbee » June 29th 2017, 2:06pm

Thanks Wasp, similar to Eire then. In the UK the limit is below 12 ft/lbs power, around 600 fps for a .22 or 750 fps for a .177 cal rifle. We can own/shoot one from 14 years unsupervised, and buy one at 18.
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby Hawk » June 29th 2017, 2:10pm

bobbee wrote:
AJC wrote:
bobbee wrote:Everyone has access to guns in the US.


Not true. At least legally speaking...


Can't anyone have an air rifle, even if powerful enough to kill? Or a shotgun?
Not sure but I thought it was true, as I saw it on a vintage airgun site.


A shotgun requires the same background check as any firearm unless it's classified as an antique by BATFE. This includes cap, flint and matchlocks manufactured prior to 1898 or reproductions thereof incapable of firing standard ammunition.

A pre-charged pneumatic such as a Sam Yang .45 or .50 is exempt from BATF(irearms)E regulations as it's not considered a firearm. However they may be restricted at the state or local level. At 230 Foot-pounds muzzle energy they can be lethal but they're slow to charge, slow to reload, short of range and generally outperformed by a compact compound bow. In fact they are probably at their most lethal when firing something resembling a crossbow bolt. They are recharged from the scuba tank you're toting around making the package heavy and bulky.

We haven't come a long way since the Austrian Girardoni air rifle carried on the Lewis and Clark expedition.

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Non-federal restrictions are summarized here.
http://www.pyramydair.com/shipping-restrictions

I'm not sure but I'd guess that New York's restrictions are similar to London's except lock back folding knives are permitted if they're small enough. One supposes they had suffered through some mass slingshot shootings at one time or another.

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My guess is that the airsoft product is prohibited due to possible confusion with an actual firearm but my record of reading the minds of the NY legislature isn't good.
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby DocKlock » June 30th 2017, 5:41am

"My guess is that the airsoft product is prohibited due to possible confusion with an actual firearm but my record of reading the minds of the NY legislature isn't good."
Reading what the NYS Legislature is thinking at any time isn't real assuring. I have heard rumors that part of the foolish NYS (un)SAFE Act "may" be modified (outside of NYC of course). This "Act" was passed so quickly, without any public input by the way, that Law Enforcement found themselves in violation of the Act immediately. Over the limit on magazine capacity. So the dim-witted legislators had to back step to exempt LEO.
They are probably looking closely into rescinding the "bayonet lug" restriction. :lol:
I still am not 100% positive if a 7-round or a 10-round magazine is "legal". Depends who you ask. And still not sure IF 10 rounds can legally be put into a 10-round magazine or if 7 is the max in a 10-round mag.
I did however "permanently" modify my AR-15 20-round mags as well as my son's Ruger Mini-14 mags to only hold 7-rounds.
Also had to change the stock on my "deadly assault" Ruger 10/22 so it complied with the Act. No thumbhole stocks allowed on semis.
So my beautiful Fajen thumbhole stock was replaced with a custom target stock --- and viola ---- compliance.
My son did same thing with his Mini ---- end result ---- SAME exact gun, SAME exact caliber, SAME exact magazine.
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Re: A lack of understanding of ballistics

Postby codguy » June 30th 2017, 6:20am

DocKlock wrote:My son did same thing with his Mini ---- end result ---- SAME exact gun, SAME exact caliber, SAME exact magazine.

And same sad joke.

Hawk wrote:A pre-charged pneumatic such as a Sam Yang .45 or .50 is exempt from BATF(firearms)E regulations as it's not considered a firearm.


I purchased a Benjamin Marauder PCP rifle in 22cal from Pyramydair.
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Taught two nieces and a now Eagle-Scout gun safety & how to shoot. No restrictions here, mail ordered and on the front porch afew days later.

PCP rifles are a great gateway to centerfire and they do a number on Raccoons & other pests........................ so I'm told.
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