DoD plan to carry privately owned, concealed firearms

DoD plan to carry privately owned, concealed firearms

Postby koimaster » November 22nd 2016, 4:29pm

DoD Releases Plan to Allow Personnel to Carry Firearms on Base

Nothing like more weapons for that "well regulated militia".

Military.com | Nov 21, 2016 | by Matthew Cox


The Pentagon recently released detailed guidance that allows U.S. military personnel to carry privately owned, concealed firearms on base, a move that the Army's service chief argued against publicly.

"Arming and the Use of Force," a Nov. 18 Defense Department directive approved by Deputy Secretary of Defense Robert Work, lays out the policy and standards that allow DoD personnel to carry firearms and employ deadly force while performing official duties.

But the lengthy document also provides detailed guidance to the services for permitting soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and Coast Guard personnel to carry privately owned firearms on DoD property, according to the document.

Commanders, O-5 and above, "may grant permission to DoD personnel requesting to carry a privately owned firearm (concealed or open carry) on DoD property for a personal protection purpose not related to performance of an official duty or status," the document states.

Applicants must be 21 years of age or older, the age many states require an individual to be to own a firearm, according to the document. Proof of compliance may include a concealed handgun license that is valid under federal, state, local or host-nation law where the DoD property is located.

"Written permission will be valid for 90 days or as long as the DoD Component deems appropriate and will include information necessary to facilitate the carrying of the firearm on DoD property consistent with safety and security, such as the individual's name, duration of the permission to carry, type of firearm, etc.," according to the document.

Until now, DoD personnel have not been authorized to carry personal firearms on military installations, a policy that has come under scrutiny in the wake of "active-shooter" attacks at U.S. military bases resulting in the deaths of service members.

Lawmakers have questioned military leaders about the policy, arguing that allowing service members to be armed might have prevented attacks such as the July 16, 2015, shootings at two military facilities in Chattanooga, Tennessee, in which four Marines and a sailor were shot and killed. The gunman, Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez, was killed by police in a gunfight.

But Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley has argued against reversing the DoD policy that prohibits service members from carrying concealed weapons on post.

Testifying at an April 14 congressional hearing, Milley cited the Nov. 5, 2009, mass shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, in which 13 people were killed and 42 others were injured. The day of the shooting, Nidal Hasan, then an Army major and psychiatrist, entered the Fort Hood deployment center carrying two pistols, jumped on a desk and shouted "Allahu Akbar!" -- Arabic for "God is great" -- then opened fire.

Milley defended the short time it took for law enforcement to secure the scene and said he is not convinced that allowing soldiers to carry privately owned weapons would have stopped Hasan.

The directive states that personnel authorized to carry privately owned firearms must "acknowledge they may be personally liable for the injuries, death, and property damage proximately caused by negligence in connection with the possession or use of privately owned firearms that are not within the scope of their federal employment."

The eligibility requirements also state that applicants should not be subject to past or pending disciplinary action under the Uniform Code of Military Justice or in any civilian criminal cases.

Personnel carrying firearms "will not be under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or hallucinatory drug or substance that would cause drowsiness or impair their judgment while carrying a firearm," the document states.
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Re: DoD plan to carry privately owned, concealed firearms

Postby conjurer » November 22nd 2016, 4:34pm

We trust 'em to carry M-4 carbines in war zones to kill wogs. I think most of 'em would be pretty safe with a personal sidearm on base. Unless it's Beetle Bailey and the Sarge is about to beat the shit out of him.
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Postby Thunder1 » November 22nd 2016, 5:12pm

conjurer wrote:We trust 'em to carry M-4 carbines in war zones to kill wogs. I think most of 'em would be pretty safe with a personal sidearm on base. Unless it's Beetle Bailey and the Sarge is about to beat the shit out of him.

Sounds good, but there can be some pretty heavy drinking going on around those bases..
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Re: DoD plan to carry privately owned, concealed firearms

Postby biglove » November 22nd 2016, 5:47pm

Thunder1 wrote:
conjurer wrote:We trust 'em to carry M-4 carbines in war zones to kill wogs. I think most of 'em would be pretty safe with a personal sidearm on base. Unless it's Beetle Bailey and the Sarge is about to beat the shit out of him.

Sounds good, but there can be some pretty heavy drinking going on around those bases..


Would presume that the rule for CCW regarding presence on their person while under the influence will be addressed. As a Louisiana CCW, I cannot carry in a bar or if consuming ETOH. To do so will result in loss of CCW and potentially criminal charges being filed.
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Re: DoD plan to carry privately owned, concealed firearms

Postby Hawk » November 22nd 2016, 7:05pm

I can't even see Brady getting spun up about this except out of force of habit.

The training is all one could ask for. And they've introduced the extra dimension of "personally owned". In Texas a permit would be revoked for a one-time DUI or being in arrears for child support or student loans. Lautenberg also applies to the personally owned requirement though it does not apply to armed combat deployment.

So you've got the military's training coupled with the higher bar required of civilians to carry personal arms.

The trite yet also accurate observation was that whatever restrictions were in place before clearly didn't work as Johnny Jihadist had no problem gearing himself up before going all Allah Akbar on the facility. Interesting too that he was a base psychiatrist - I'd heard that profession had a greater than average chance of going bug nuts but I hadn't given it much credence until that episode.

Then again getting stressed over firearms on a military base wouldn't be the silliest anti-gun misfire to ever be deployed - that honor remains with Dianne Feinstein who was arguing against armed pilots on the basis that it would put everybody's lives into their hands. Hint: they already have everybody's lives in their hands as demonstrated by that Germanwings flight.
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Postby WatchDorks.Net » November 22nd 2016, 7:13pm

Man, Trump's just handing out guns to everybody... wait, what? ;)
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Re: DoD plan to carry privately owned, concealed firearms

Postby 3Flushes » November 22nd 2016, 10:21pm

Ya walk onto a military base, ya GET SHOT!

I always felt very safe on a military base, and these days even they aren't exempt from the epidemic.
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