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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-level range

Postby koimaster » September 13th 2011, 6:33am

check out the list of companies they make watches for.

http://www.swisstime.ch/pgs/rwi-pgs-nprd-lgs-en-an-2011.html


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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-level range

Postby koimaster » September 13th 2011, 7:37am

And now a threat by doxa

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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-level range

Postby Guest » September 13th 2011, 8:01am

Doxa using intimidation tactics!!!

Doxa go fuck yourself, fucking Chinese shit.

Oh let's not forget about this Gem

Let the truth be told:D:D Doxa method of operation doesn't shock me. I post it here because it will disappear from WUS

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Join Date: May 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 300 Re: I was fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey Guy's,

Thanks for all your support. I really appreciate it. I will always be around if you need me. I will shoot it straight.

I will be fine, I do feel sorry for those who will no longer get the support they need.

Anyone wishing to vent about DOXA, can do it here. You free here from censorship.

For all of you wanting to purchase DOXA's be wary that they no longer will cover tubes and crown's. They are not warrantied items. Also to quote Mr. Jenny..., or to quote John P, about Mr. Jenny "he doesnt care about Americans or the American Market"...I have this in writing! Actually, I have a lot on writing.

It ws a constant battle for honor and being truthfull, many of you were BCC'd, and know the truth.

Here is what led to my termination...Also, as I find interesting emails, I will post them.

Here is a sample of what truly happened...should you want to know more, feel free to email, I am more than happy to tell you the truth. Luckily I saved all the emails. So, I will be posting them shortly. If you want to know the true reason that I was fired here it is...Many of you have been on the BCC list for quit some time, so I expect this does not come as a shock to you.

To those who I have served it has been a pleasure and an honor. I will continue to serve you in anyway I can. I am here if you need me.

Warmest Regards to all of you,




----- Original Message ----- From: Lord John *****
To: rick.marei@doxawatches.com
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine



It is no threat Rick, I never make threats I do what I say. Me lie, No sir, I have the documents in front of me. Acquired through FedEx, and through the US Government.

I explained my actions with ETA, I am legally allowed to inquire for a freind. I did nothing wrong with ETA, I carboned copied John P on all of them. I have the application, that was sent in so I can post that as well.

What you do is unacceptable in life.

Now, who are people going to believe documents, or you? Wait I have an Idea, how about I take photos of them before I post such as this one...nah, I will post them, and then you can deal with them!

No way out for you my friend. You web of lies will unfold...


----- Original Message -----
From: rick.marei@doxawatches.com
To: Lord John *****
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine
Don't threaten me John. you are lying or someone told you lies through and through
The decision came due to your last action with ETA. This is absolutely unacceptable in the watch business.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Lord John *****
To: rick.marei@doxawatches.com
Cc: romeo.jenny@doxawatches.com ; Dr. Peter McClean Millar
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine
Good deal!
Now, I can post everything...
I will still call it wont stop me, you now started a war you cannot win.
I have documents, papers, now, I can go forward with the truth. Your 10 year contract. The 11 additional dials you handed out for the limited edition 100 only Divingstar. The fact that DOXA USA consist of only three people. Everything truthful I have.


People are not going to be to happy. You reap what you sew my freind.
Now, I will sit back and dedicate a website so people can see that dials cost $.10 cents. The whole watch is less than $200.00. complete breakdowns of everything. From DOXA paperwork not me.
Mr. Jenny, I mean no disrespect to you...however, DOXA will not fare well in this country. Due to Rick's actions. Now that I am free to speak freely, I am truly sorry for you. For the one you hired to be your right hand man, will be your company's downfall in the US.
I will also recalculate my last months earnings since I was only allowed to charge for 10 hours per day, and I worked more.
John
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----- Original Message -----
From: rick.marei@doxawatches.com
To: John ***** At DOXA Watches
Cc:
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine
John, you are fired. This is disrespectful
Rick
----- Original Message ----- From: John ***** At DOXA Watches
To: rick.marei@doxawatches.com
Cc: John Pfeiffer
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine



Exactly what I said Rick...every I turn around, it seems one of the Jenny's doesn't like the way I do things. Yet, no one has called me, outside of John.

So, in the AM, I will call Mr. Romeo F. Jenny, and ask him personally, as a matter of fact, I will call every Jenny and ask them why it seems no matter what I do, it never seems good enough.

I am tired of a constant battle of people I have never talked too. So, I am going to seek a resolution.

John *****
Business Representative
DOXA Watches USA

----- Original Message -----
From: rick.marei@doxawatches.com
To: John ***** At DOXA Watches
Cc: john.pfeiffer@doxawatches.com
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine
John, this is unbelievable !!. What do you mean by nobody has the guts to call you?
rick marei
----- Original Message -----
From: John ***** At DOXA Watches
To: john.pfeiffer@doxawatches.com ; rick.marei@doxawatches.com
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine
Let me get this strait, they are upset becuase I requested a raise? If they think I am going to continue to work, and do what I do for $12.00 an hour, they can look for another fool.
I don't need the money, but what is fair is fair. They don't pay for a thing in this house. Nothing...not my gas to go to the post office, not my electricity, not my cable, not my phone lines and fax line. Nothing.
The average income in this state for this position is well over $100,000.00, and that is the lowest, the median is $155,000,00 for all I do...with minimum education, I have a Post Doctorate Degree.
Tell them to rethink this, very carefully. I promise you that no one will do this job for $12.00 an hour.
I am genuinely enraged at the audacity, which they have at this point. So, they want to screw me over they have another thing coming.
I tried calling Switzerland since they don't have the guts to call me, but I will get a hold of someone tomorrow. No need to go through a middleman, you can stay out of it; I am going to go direct, and discuss this like a man.
I have Peter, and Romeo numbers, home and cell.
I am tired if this constant, almost daily battle between what you say the Jenny's say, and what I do. There has to be some resolve...
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----- Original Message -----
From: john.pfeiffer@doxawatches.com
To: John ***** at Doxa Watches
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:09 PM
Subject: Lusine
John, please do not involve Lusine in the DOXA stuff. Cause we do not want to have any disputes about this in the future. If your time does not let you take care of everyone, then customers should wait.
Yesterday I forwarded your salary email to Switzerland and they were upset about the presentation of the idea. If Lusine will start helping out then it means that she has to be paid separately and DOXA does not allow husband and wife to work in the same company.
I also do not want to hear that she was working for free and be involved in this discussion later on. I hope you understand that things are likely to turn like this at the end when there are any issues.
John
Hey John,
Here is my invoice for March of 2007. This year is up at DOXA, and although I am not doing this for the money, I am not being paid what I am worth. When I started, my only function was that I was to do Online Chat Live. Then phones.
Well as you know, I am acting more like an executive director, of which I do not mind, I actually love the job, and enjoy taking care of customers. However, $12.00 an hour for what I do is truly underpaid, this is the minimum starting wage for hired help, or manual labor as stock people in this area. I know I am worth more than a stock boy’s wage. I have advanced degrees. Here is the median amount I would be paid here in the US.
The median total compensation including benefits for a typical Customer Service Director in Brandon, FL 33511, is $155,833. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies. Total compensation (base + bonuses + benefits) 12 3 Benefit Median Amount % of Total Base salary $106,473 68% Bonuses $12,587 8% Social Security$7,306 5% 401k/403b$4,310 3% Disability$2,905 2% Healthcare$5,390 3% Pension$3,858 2% Time off$13,005 8% Total $155,833 100% Personal Profile Salary RangeCustomer Service DirectorLocation: Brandon, FL 33511 Benefit Median Amount % of Total Base salary $106,473 68% Bonuses $12,587 8% Social Security$7,306 5% 401k/403b$4,310 3% Disability$2,905 2% Healthcare$5,390 3% Pension$3,858 2% Time off$13,005 8% Total $155,833 100%
The median expected salary for a typical Customer Service Director in Brandon, FL 33511, is $106,473. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies. Base pay only 1 23$86,108$106,473$130,097HR Reported data as of March 2007Customer Service Director25th Percentile Median 75th Percentile Brandon, FL 33511 $86,108 $106,473 $130,097
The median total cash compensation for a typical Customer Service Director in Brandon, FL 33511, is $119,060. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies. Total cash compensation (base + bonuses) 1 2 3$94,547$119,060$152,847HR Reported data as of March 2007Customer Service Director25th Percentile Median 75th Percentile Brandon, FL 33511 $94,547 $119,060 $152,847 IMPORTANT: Your pay can be dramatically affected by compensable factors such as employer size, industry, employee credentials, years of experience and others.
I do not expect a mega pay raise, or anywhere near this amount, not even half of the base pay...but I would like to be paid a little bit more for all the effort and hard work that I do put in. In addition, I would rather have a stable salary, I am still willing to file it monthly, but in all, honestly I do not really like being paid by the hour it makes no sense.
I would like a set stable salary monthly. One, which I guarantee will be more than fair to DOXA, but also fair to me as well.
This is what I propose. Direct salary of $4,500 per month. Or, $4,200.00 per month, if you break in up into hours that is a $3.00 an hour pay raise ($15.00), and in addition every time a new watch comes out a watch as a bonus.
Thanks,
John
John *****
Business Representative
DOXA Watches USA
john.*****@doxawatches.com
http://www.doxawatches.com


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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-level range

Postby koimaster » October 15th 2012, 8:04am

just a reminder for newbies

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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-level range

Postby mrneddles » October 15th 2012, 8:54am

Ahh the dagger that killed Doxa for me!
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-level range

Postby Watch Noob » October 15th 2012, 9:50am

ahh yes, please sign me up for a $2K Chinese POS. Thank you sir may I have another? I can't believe these guys still have a following after that debacle, but then again Invicta is still around.
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-level range

Postby koimaster » October 15th 2012, 10:27am

No mistaking they are Doxa and this is the Asian website.



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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-level range

Postby RaiderFan » October 15th 2012, 12:51pm

And Invicta is actually telling people once in a while when they use Chinese movements. Does that give them a hand up on Doxa or just a higher perch in the cesspool?
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-level range

Postby eddiea » October 15th 2012, 2:48pm

RaiderFan wrote:And Invicta is actually telling people once in a while when they use Chinese movements. Does that give them a hand up on Doxa or just a higher perch in the cesspool?

Neither...Invicta has been forced to tell folks where their shit is made, after a lot of pressure, from places like this one...both brands, are at the bottom of the barrel.
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-level range

Postby RaiderFan » October 16th 2012, 12:24am

I was being sarcastic.
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby koimaster » December 1st 2013, 4:33pm

Since there have been a few new employees of Doxa who are telling people about the brand AND pointing fingers at other micro-brands as starting rumors, perhaps we should bump this up again.


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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby eddiea » December 8th 2013, 5:37pm

koimaster wrote:Since there have been a few new employees of Doxa who are telling people about the brand AND pointing fingers at other micro-brands as starting rumors, perhaps we should bump this up again.
:rrdq:

They do seem to attract clueless assholes as spokespersons, which have very little residual entertaining value considering the source....
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby biglove » December 8th 2013, 8:01pm

Well, with the larger forums killing off this kind of info, it is no wonder the public at large doesn't know.

Hell, I couldn't even lodge a historical discussion of my issues with DB without WUS sterilizing it.
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby elau » December 8th 2013, 8:33pm

Thank you WL bumping this up for newbie like myself. It just to show no matter how long you have been in this hobby there is always something new to learn each and everyday.
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby koimaster » December 8th 2013, 11:32pm

elau wrote:Thank you WL bumping this up for newbie like myself. It just to show no matter how long you have been in this hobby there is always something new to learn each and everyday.



newbie?? You have been here a long time now, I guess you missed it the couple of times it was bumped. I discovered those photos in 2009 and posted the photos at another forum. The photos were down in under 24 hours after WUS members saw them via BDWF and Extremeantime (Darth neos' forum). Was threatened several times by Doxa for posting them at forums as well as FB.
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby WatchDorks.Net » December 9th 2013, 5:53am

And the threats were pretty telling too:

You take picture down! You bad person tell many people rie about Doxa not be Swiss! You no take back picture, we sue you many time! Is not true we give flee egg loll with watch. Is small flied lice actuarry. You go now!
Proud "hater" since 2009. Get over it and have fun reassembling yer wartches.

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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby biglove » December 9th 2013, 7:00am

So did you ever get a nasty letter from the Doxa attorneys?
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby koimaster » December 9th 2013, 7:46am

biglove wrote:So did you ever get a nasty letter from the Doxa attorneys?




Nope.
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby biglove » December 9th 2013, 8:36am

koimaster wrote:
biglove wrote:So did you ever get a nasty letter from the Doxa attorneys?




Nope.


Figured so. Damn watch companies and their intimidation techniques.

Sam, at Deep Blue, claimed, "Prior to opening this claim with the BBB, he has emailed that he hopes we will make good on this, and he will be sharing his experience with the watch forums (veiled threat?); and he has started a few threads slamming our company over this, although we are doing all that we could for him, and have offered to fix it again for him.
He has besmirched our reputation on a website called 'rippoffreport', which can not be retracted,and was posted without merit or knowledge of the circumstances."

I really expected to get a letter from DB threatening litigation. Am sure he spoke with their attorney about it. They certainly had my thread pulled from WUS.

I filed a complaint on ripoffreport.com at, http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Deep-Blue-Watches/New-York-New-York-10001/Deep-Blue-Watches-Warranty-repair-failure-defective-product-design-New-York-New-York-1095901

The "anonymous" comment there is likely him...
"What do you expect them to do? Its a year past when you purchased it. Past that they have no obligation to really do anything. They ONLY have your word that its a manufacturing issue. And pulling up Ebay listings and forums is not evidence. Forums are so ppl can bitch and you dont have all the information of the products life on Ebay.

They dont know if your actually telling the truth and its a manufacturer defect and not just you looking for a freebee. They have to assume you are attempting to screw them."

I am not a fan of heavy-handed corporate techniques. Glad you stood up to Doxa. I certainly won't ever buy from them based on your findings. GOOD JOB!
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby elau » December 9th 2013, 8:55am

koimaster wrote:
elau wrote:Thank you WL bumping this up for newbie like myself. It just to show no matter how long you have been in this hobby there is always something new to learn each and everyday.



newbie?? You have been here a long time now, I guess you missed it the couple of times it was bumped. I discovered those photos in 2009 and posted the photos at another forum. The photos were down in under 24 hours after WUS members saw them via BDWF and Extremeantime (Darth neos' forum). Was threatened several times by Doxa for posting them at forums as well as FB.


Koi, I always consider myself a newbie in this hobby. There is always something to learn, from manufacturing ( or the lack of in this case) to marketing; to trends. It is the learning that makes a hobby interesting. And I for one will never admit I have been around long enough to know all there is to know about horology.

And yes I missed the article before but at least I caught up with it this time.
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby koimaster » December 10th 2013, 9:53am

One wonders about all of the claims Doxa has made over the years about products and history.


http://www.swisstime.ch/index.php?actio ... ords=&pg=1


http://www.swisstime.ch/index.php?id=19 ... rch=2&st=2
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Postby koimaster » December 10th 2013, 10:06am

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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby biglove » December 10th 2013, 11:03am

Thanks again for sharing. I notice Doxa never refutes the photos.

Will have to search the forums for your call outs if Invicta and others!
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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for "mid and high-le

Postby 3Flushes » December 10th 2013, 1:57pm

koimaster wrote:Since there have been a few new employees of Doxa who are telling people about the brand AND pointing fingers at other micro-brands as starting rumors, perhaps we should bump this up again. :rrdq:


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Re: A Swisese company who makes watches for

Postby oak1971 » December 14th 2013, 10:39am

Guest wrote:Just to add...

I don't necessarily mind if something is made in China, as long as the company contracting the production has strict QC or has someone on-hand to manage the work being done.

I've experience in this when I worked for a company that manufactured a custom piece of electronics (custom PCB, ASICs, housing, etc). When left to their own devices, the Chinese manufacturers would produce garbage. But if you reject the poorly made samples and provide proper feedback, you can get very high quality. Same factory, same workers, and in most cases the same price.


You are correct, They need to be watched constantly or they will crank out crap. Our own division over there will change things without telling us and lie about it to corporate until we catch them. In turn, their suppliers lie to them.
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