SNBC says the T-Rex Diver is made in China...

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SNBC says the T-Rex Diver is made in China...

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Yes, I know this topic has been addressed before, and I HAVE read the sticky on this topic.

However - I was reading reviews of the T-Rex Diver on the Shop's website. http://www.shopnbc.com/Renato_Men_s_...aspx?storeid=1

One of the reviewers speculates that the watch, despite having a Swiss movement, was made in China. The SNBC team responds:

"Response from ShopNBC:By TeamShopNBC, July 9, 2009
The ShopNBC Team would like to thank you for your valuable feedback! We have confirmed the movement is indeed Swiss, but the watch itself was assembled in China."

Hmmmm...... Doesn't match up with what's in the sticky on this topic.

I will say that I have many Renatos, and if they are made in China - I don't necessarily care so much. BUT - I do care that the company is upfront about this information. So what is the correct answer on this topic?
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That I don,t know but it will be nice to find out the USA does,nt make anything anymore


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Gentlemen.............START YOUR ENGINES!!!!!!

FWIW i don't care either way, my Renatos are great. My Megalodon's were assembled in Taiwan, another top-notch piece from the east.
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Most companies try not to say their product is made in China unless they have to. Their is nothing wrong with being made in China as long as their using the best of the best like George Fox was so up front with. I would buy anything from him with no worries at all.


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Almost everything we have or use daily is made in an asian country, not a deal breaker for me or a big deal either.
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At least they are honest about it.We all know they werent built in Switzerland.
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At least they are honest about it.We all know they werent built in Switzerland.

What??? Honesty is the point. Maybe you didn't read the sticky. Daniel Mink said that Renatos are assembled in Switzerland. The SNBC team responded that the T-Rex diver was assembled in China.

Like I said....ALL I ask is for the company to be honest and upfront about this. Is that too much to ask???
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Not sure what is in "Sticky" (I have not seen it)but all I have EVER heard Daniel say on a show is that his watches are hand made and have Swiss Movements. Maybe he was miss quoted or he miss "Typed" so to speak. Ahh, no one is perfect right; but judging from all the feed back up here, his watches are pretty darn close to perfect in terms of design and QC.


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This is an old debate over the past couple of years. Renatos have swiss movements but are put together in China and some of the parts in a renato come from other European countries. Renatos are not Swiss made that is why you will never see any Renato that says Swiss Made. End of story.

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I dont know why in this day and age of communications and the internet why companies are not just upfront about their products! People are going to find out sooner or later and they will be more pissed that you LIED or used DECEPTIVE practices than if they were just upfront about it. Although I have NEVER seen a Renato that said Swiss made so.... Sadly most people dont care where you make your product as long as its price is cheap. Thats why this country doesnt produce anything anymore.
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The watches are not made in China they are assembled in China to keep costs down, they are not Chinese parts, most parts are Swiss, and the materials used are from a number of different countries.
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What??? Honesty is the point. Maybe you didn't read the sticky. Daniel Mink said that Renatos are assembled in Switzerland. The SNBC team responded that the T-Rex diver was assembled in China.

Like I said....ALL I ask is for the company to be honest and upfront about this. Is that too much to ask???



I agree they all should be honest and upfront ,but if they were all assembled in Switzerland,I might not be able to afford a lot of the watches I own.


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The Guy's are only stating that they would like to be told Truth's & Fact's. I think that to honor being Truthful should not be that big of a deal. Consumers have their reasons.


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It's been said that if the top asian case, bracelet, dial, bezel, etc. factories released their watch company client lists, a lot of people who spend boatloads of money on "Swiss Made" watches from those companies would sh!t bricks.

Bottom line...high quality is high quality. I don't give a rat's butt where that level of quality comes from, I just want it.
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Why dont you call in this afternoons show and ask Daniel?
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I guess that asking for the truth could be tricky as well. As I understand it you can have the word "Swiss" somewhere on the watch yet the watch can be made entirely outside the country.

I, for one, don't really purchase in the ultra-luxury category(Breitling/Omega), I'm a value purchaser. I'm certain that several of my timepieces have been made/assembled in Asia despite where it's movement or crystal comes from. I also remember when "Made in Hong Kong" was a luxury designation for Asia as well.

http://www.fhs.ch/en/swissm.php

According to the website above, "Swiss Made" has the most restrictions. Anything less than that could be from somewhere else (or an outright fake, which I'll assume ShopNBC doesn't deal in).

And I'm just counting the days till my birthday in May when I get my T-Rex.


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It's been said that if the top asian case, bracelet, dial, bezel, etc. factories released their watch company client lists, a lot of people who spend boatloads of money on "Swiss Made" watches from those companies would sh!t bricks.

Bottom line...high quality is high quality. I don't give a rat's butt where that level of quality comes from, I just want it.

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Yes, I know this topic has been addressed before, and I HAVE read the sticky on this topic.

However - I was reading reviews of the T-Rex Diver on the Shop's website. http://www.shopnbc.com/Renato_Men_s_...aspx?storeid=1

One of the reviewers speculates that the watch, despite having a Swiss movement, was made in China. The SNBC team responds:

"Response from ShopNBC:By TeamShopNBC, July 9, 2009
The ShopNBC Team would like to thank you for your valuable feedback! We have confirmed the movement is indeed Swiss, but the watch itself was assembled in China."

Hmmmm...... Doesn't match up with what's in the sticky on this topic.

I will say that I have many Renatos, and if they are made in China - I don't necessarily care so much. BUT - I do care that the company is upfront about this information. So what is the correct answer on this topic?


This i believe is not new news....there are quit a few "swiss made" "PARTS" yes..but putting the whole watch together is far cheaper elsewhere than in switzerland....china,asia,vietnam,korea are populer destinations of final assembly on a lot of popular watches.

when you see "swiss made" sometimes its ment for the parts only..
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Just look at the dial it says hand made Swiss movement.Where else would you think it would be made.As much as I dont like some of DMs buisness practices he has never ever said they were Swiss made.The quality is great and I dont care where they were made,its okay with me.
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personally I would love to ask Jim Skelton for the truth on this matter,but that would only put him in a position where he would have to reveal who is telling the truth ,SHOP NBC or RENATO


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Just look at the dial it says hand made Swiss movement.Where else would you think it would be made.As much as I dont like some of DMs buisness practices he has never ever said they were Swiss made.The quality is great and I dont care where they were made,its okay with me.


The sticky on this matter under Renato , Daniel has never came on this forum to correct Bruce if he had misspoken Daniels words to us. as told by Bruce Daniels claims" Renato's are assembled by a Swiss factory" period.


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Almost everything we have or use daily is made in an asian country.

True, and that is sad.


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This i believe is not new news....there are quit a few "swiss made" "PARTS" yes..but putting the whole watch together is far cheaper elsewhere than in switzerland....china,asia,vietnam,korea are populer destinations of final assembly on a lot of popular watches.

when you see "swiss made" sometimes its ment for the parts only..

THATS NOT TRUE at ALL!! If it says SWISS MADE it is in cased in Switzerland! Swiss Mvmnt, Swiss parts Mvmnt yeah, but SWISS MADE means its incased in SWITZERLAND!
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I don't recall Renato EVER claiming their watchs are"Swiss Made", E.G. final assembly and inspection in Switzerland.

They state "Swiss Movt", when they can.
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Yes, I know this topic has been addressed before, and I HAVE read the sticky on this topic.

However - I was reading reviews of the T-Rex Diver on the Shop's website. http://www.shopnbc.com/Renato_Men_s_...aspx?storeid=1

One of the reviewers speculates that the watch, despite having a Swiss movement, was made in China. The SNBC team responds:

"Response from ShopNBC:By TeamShopNBC, July 9, 2009
The ShopNBC Team would like to thank you for your valuable feedback! We have confirmed the movement is indeed Swiss, but the watch itself was assembled in China."

Hmmmm...... Doesn't match up with what's in the sticky on this topic.

I will say that I have many Renatos, and if they are made in China - I don't necessarily care so much. BUT - I do care that the company is upfront about this information. So what is the correct answer on this topic?

I dont care if they're assembled in Cleveland I love em and will continue to buy em....


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Almost everything we have or use daily is made in an asian country, not a deal breaker for me or a big deal either.


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I don't recall Renato EVER claiming their watchs are"Swiss Made", E.G. final assembly and inspection in Switzerland.

They state "Swiss Movt", when they can.

Regarding the thread from Daniels minks own words,which came as a result of the China syndrome thread,Daniel claims, at least to the members on this forum that Renato is contracted with a Swiss factory to do finale assembley of Renato watches.on air he states he wont put Swiss made on a watch unless all 100% of the watch is Swiss made, according to Daniel that is why Renato's dont say swiss made ,I have it on tape.now I'm finding out that my Renato collection might have been made two doors down from WONGS NOODEL FACTORY .So I'm a little upset over this claim from Shop NBC I spent 13k with shop last year and I dont like being decieved.


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I'm pretty sure if Renato watches COULD claim "Swiss Made", they would. It would be stupid not to. Therefore, I assume they are NOT "Swiss Made".
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Not something that most companies will answer.unless the company is a member of the SWF, any other company can put whatever they want on the dial.The only requirement for it to enter the states through customs is that the origin of the movement is on the dial.thats it.Customs doesn't care if its a swiss watch with a chinese movement.all they care about is that the chinese movement is listed on the dial or caseback.the swiss made arguement only applies to companies that comply with the rules and are in Switzerland.Thats it.
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I'm pretty sure if Renato watches COULD claim "Swiss Made", they would. It would be stupid not to. Therefore, I assume they are NOT "Swiss Made".

believe me it makes no sense to me either But this is what the man claims


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Swiss parts but assembled elsewhere. I am satisfied with mine (two wildebeasts and the t-rex with changeable straps), but i can see your concern. we are, however gettingmore than we pay for with the SNBC deals, so be happy and enjoy your watches. they are great, whrerver they are assembled.


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Bottom line...high quality is high quality. I don't give a rat's butt where that level of quality comes from, I just want it.

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Not something that most companies will answer.unless the company is a member of the SWF, any other company can put whatever they want on the dial.The only requirement for it to enter the states through customs is that the origin of the movement is on the dial.thats it.Customs doesn't care if its a swiss watch with a chinese movement.all they care about is that the chinese movement is listed on the dial or caseback.the swiss made arguement only applies to companies that comply with the rules and are in Switzerland.Thats it.

You are always the voice of reason and facts no doubt,but having them made in china kinda kills them for me,I wanted to beleive what Daniel has said on the matter.and now I cant,I think I need to step up into higher name brands to avoid deception in the future


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What??? Honesty is the point.

Like I said....ALL I ask is for the company to be honest and upfront about this. Is that too much to ask???

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Maaan, I think some of you haven't read this post from Michael:

http://watchgeeks.net/showthread.php?t=5566

Here is a quote from that post:

"However, the assembly of the watches are done in Switzerland by a manufacturing partner that Renato has.

So...there you have it! Directly from "The Man". So, the next time this comes up, please point folks to this thread. " (this was posted in 2008)

Some of you might be asking, how could the watches be assembled in Switzerland and NOT be Swiss-made? I think the answer is, that for a watch to be considered Swiss made, it must have at least 51% Swiss parts. So if the watch had less Swiss parts than that, but was assembled in Switzerland, it could still not be labeled Swiss made.

But again, what Daniel told Michael in the post above is completely contrary to what the Shop posted to that customer on the SNBC website. Maybe they used to be assembled in Switzerland, but aren't anymore?? Or maybe somehow the Shop was mis-informed when they answered that customer's question on the website. This is just speculation.

Some of you are saying you don't care where a watch is made, as long as it's a quality piece. You know what - I'm in that boat too! BUT - I DO expect honesty from a company about this. There is no reason to lie.

I don't know what the truth is on this issue. But in general and IMO, if a company is dishonest about something like that - then why should anyone trust any other claims that company makes???

Can Jim or Michael or Daniel offer a definitive answer on this issue, once and for all? Please???
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Renato does not claim that there watches are Swiss Made only Swiss Movement.


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I've got a new watch thats on the way.I'll not mention the brand but its 100% chinese with a japanese seiko 6R15 movement.My last 3 dive watches have swiss movements but the watch is made in asia.I'm not going to say that the chinese are getting better.That would be a very broad sweeping statement.But what I will say is that some of the companies in asia have the same machinery as the swiss.They also are getting training by the swiss and germans.Its a win win situation for the germans,swiss,japanese and asian companies.most of the steel and case blanks are bought from china anyways.some watches are junk with poor fitment and low quality parts.But............ the companies that contract with an asian watch company that stays involved during the design and prototype stage and isn't in a hurry, doesn't accept some of the prototypes and keeps resubmitting them until the tolerances are met,those companies end up being successful.you have to keep after the contract company to have them meet your own standards.We see this with renato and other companies that have watches built in asia.As long as the specs are met and the quality controls are in place you get good watches.
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I will point out that sticky post is from two years ago. The times they are a changing.....
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That has nothing to do with this topic.its totally political and doesn't have a place here.
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It's been said that if the top asian case, bracelet, dial, bezel, etc. factories released their watch company client lists, a lot of people who spend boatloads of money on "Swiss Made" watches from those companies would sh!t bricks.

Bottom line...high quality is high quality. I don't give a rat's butt where that level of quality comes from, I just want it.


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All I can say is that I love my Renato watches.. The quality and detail that is put into every watch in my opinion surpasses a lot of the big "swiss made" brands by a mile and for a fraction of a price.
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I am with the others who say quality is quality. They have great CS and a service center with watch makers in Florida so they are supporting the US economy. This is why you have a 2 week turn around on service and repairs (my wife cracked a crystal on her ceramic watch and Renato replaced the crystal, case and had it back in 2 weeks!).

If you asked me who I thought was correct in this matter, DM or some random rep and SHOP, I would go with DM and assume the rep from SHOP was misinformed.

I have never had a problem with Renato so whatever they are doing keep it up!
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I have never heard Daniel or anyone from SNBC say that Renato watches were Swiss made. What they do say is that the watch has a swiss movement and hand assembled. That statement does not indicate to me that Renato's are Swiss Made.


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I have never heard Daniel or anyone from SNBC say that Renato watches were Swiss made. What they do say is that the watch has a swiss movement and hand assembled. That statement does not indicate to me that Renato's are Swiss Made.

Read the sticky


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I have never heard Daniel or anyone from SNBC say that Renato watches were Swiss made. What they do say is that the watch has a swiss movement and hand assembled. That statement does not indicate to me that Renato's are Swiss Made.

I believe he did say some pieces qualify to have the Swiss Made label but felt strongly that if it wasnt 100% Swiss Made then he wouldn't label his watches as Swiss Made.
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I have never heard Daniel or anyone from SNBC say that Renato watches were Swiss made. What they do say is that the watch has a swiss movement and hand assembled. That statement does not indicate to me that Renato's are Swiss Made.

Read the sticky,and Daniel has mentioned it on air last summer a couple of times.he also stated that until he uses 100% Swiss parts Renato will not say Swiss made


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For goodness sake, put this to rest already! Open the hood of your "American Made" car- I promise, you will see parts comprising your engine from France, China, Britain, Singapore etc. There are very few products ANYWHERE that are "all USA made" or "all Swiss Made." The economy is global and that is that. Nuff said.

As far as watches go, I have a couple Invicta "Swiss Made" Reserve pieces and they are of NO comparison in terms of quality and components to Renatos. Daniel's watches are FAR better in quality than anything Invicta as/will put out at any price. As far as customer service goes- I had to replace a bracelet on an Invicta Reserve piece and it has been nearly two months and I have no idea what the status is. I once sent a Renato Cyclops in for minor service and instead of fixing the watch, they send me a brand new one, no questions asked and it was on my wrist within one week. Renatos are an excellent brand regardless of where they are assembled.

Of note, is you are concerned with Asian production you might want to take a closer look at your clothes, medicine, food, building materials for your home, car parts, books and the list goes on. Nearly EVERYTHING is produced or assembled or both in China today. It is the result of what WE- the largest consumer nation in the world per capita- asked for. Low prices.
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Renato is a high quality watch with excellent craftmanship and I will keep buying, I have a Seiko with a Malaysian movement and is an excellent dive watch. If Renatos were Swiss made they would say but they might be priced out of range, And I think they have every bit the fit and finish of my Swiss made watches


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If you asked me who I thought was correct in this matter, DM or some random rep and SHOP, I would go with DM and assume the rep from SHOP was misinformed.

I didn't ask you.. LOL

But seriously, why should we have to 'assume' who was correct about this? Is it THAT difficult to get a straight answer?

This issue is not about whether Daniel said Renatos are "Swiss made." Read the sticky.... He said that Renatos are assembled in Switzerland. (that does NOT equal "Swiss made")

The Shop said that the T-Rex diver in question was assembled in China.

So WHICH is it? Are Renatos assembled in Switzerland OR China??? Some geeks would like to know!

Sure, I could easily believe that the Shop got it wrong when they answered that customer. Very possibly, that's what happened.

I am just asking for a CLARIFICATION on the issue of WHERE RENATOS ARE ASSEMBLED from someone who knows - like Jim, Michael, or Daniel. That is all.
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the issue is misrepresentation of the product and their origin .dont say you are teamed up with a Swiss factory when you are not,a lot of members buy off of what is said on this forum,we trust the owners,and we trust the watch company's who post here,and when we find out different it's a problem.I bought three renatos recently simply due to Daniel's claim,thats why its a big deal a very big deal



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As far as watches go, I have a couple Invicta "Swiss Made" Reserve pieces and they are of NO comparison in terms of quality and components to Renatos. Daniel's watches are FAR better in quality than anything Invicta as/will put out at any price. As far as customer service goes- I had to replace a bracelet on an Invicta Reserve piece and it has been nearly two months and I have no idea what the status is.

Bubblehead: your comment about Renato quality compared to Invicta is ONLY your opinion, not fact. And it is off-topic to the issue at hand.

This thread is ALSO not about customer service.

Furthermore, I have spent a lot of money on Renato watches and I have every right to inquire about WHERE they are assembled, when there are contradictory statements from Daniel and the Shop. If this doesn't bother you, GREAT!

I am just trying to resolve the discrepancy that I pointed out between what Michael posted from Daniel, and what the Shop posted.
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Read the sticky,and Daniel has mentioned it on air last summer a couple of times.he also stated that until he uses 100% Swiss parts Renato will not say Swiss made

That gets him off the hook, a distraction IMO. It does not mean the current watch(s) qualify to be labeled "Swiss made" on their dials at 6:00.
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That gets him off the hook. It does not mean the current watch(s) qualify to be labeled "Swiss made" on their dials at 6:00.


Thats all fine and good ,but dont tell us their assembled by a Swiss factory when its done in China.


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dont like it ? dont buy it. I like it


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I dont care if they're assembled in Cleveland I love em and will continue to buy em....

uh huh- I just unwrapped two Wilde Beast Divers and a Wilde Beast silvertone diamond Alligator and the quality and perfection is amazing. I think Mr. Mink is a genius- use the best parts all the time, sapphire crystals, use 5 basic designs that are almost universally loved and make variants of them built in China to save labor costs.

I am on board with this business model 100%

And I DON'T like buying things made in China and buy from any other country when I can but with Renato- I will make an exception. IF they were built in Switzerland they would be 200-250 more and I couldn't afford them.

Maybe one day he will have an all Swiss line and if anyone cares they can buy those?
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The overall quality level of Renato watches is high, few will argue that fact.

My problem with Renato is, and has always been...when it comes to Renato the truth is elusive. Never count on knowing it.
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dont like it ? dont buy it. I like it


thats the problem I did buy them three times due to Daniel stating that they were all hand built by the Swiss regardless of a Swiss name at the 6.00 hr.
Some people do not mind being deceived they just go with the flow and be quiet.your statement of dont like it dont buy it is really not the issue here.if you have not figured out the drift of this thread after 3 pages you never will get it and its meaning will not hit home to you


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The overall quality level of Renato watches is high, few will argue that fact.

My problem with Renato is, and has always been...when it comes to Renato the truth is elusive. Never count on knowing it.


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I didn't ask you.. LOL

But seriously, why should we have to 'assume' who was correct about this? Is it THAT difficult to get a straight answer?

This issue is not about whether Daniel said Renatos are "Swiss made." Read the sticky.... He said that Renatos are assembled in Switzerland. (that does NOT equal "Swiss made")

The Shop said that the T-Rex diver in question was assembled in China.

So WHICH is it? Are Renatos assembled in Switzerland OR China??? Some geeks would like to know!

Sure, I could easily believe that the Shop got it wrong when they answered that customer. Very possibly, that's what happened.

I am just asking for a CLARIFICATION on the issue of WHERE RENATOS ARE ASSEMBLED from someone who knows - like Jim, Michael, or Daniel. That is all.


I have several higher-end Renato timepieces and - so far so good - they have exceptional fit, finish, reliability, and style for the price point. And, that's all good.

However, if you're waiting for clarification from Renato, which I agree you and the rest of us loyal Renato customers (some of whom sport Renato's far and wide and spread good will and positive word-of-mouth about its products) are entitled, I suspect you may be waiting a while.

You see, this isn't the first such controversy involving a purported, major attribute of Renato timepieces. For example, my two-tone T-Rex Diver says "Limited Edition" on the bezel and is supposedly one out of seventy-five that were made. You may recall a certain amount of "confusion" in the past concerning the accuracy/veracity of Renato's claims of LE/LP timepieces. Someone advise me if I missed it, but I don't recall that matter ever being clarified by Renato or DM, on this forum or elsewhere.

The botom line for me, like others have said, as long as Renato keeps producing quality, stylish timepieces for a good price, that stand the test of time and appeal to me, I'll probably continue purchasing them; however, until the above issues are definitively and honestly resolved by Renato once and for all, I will not purchase Renato timepieces based on claims of LE/LP and/or of being Swiss assembled or made, in whole or in part; and, until then, I woudn't feel comfortable recommending them to others based upon such claims.


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I will point out that sticky post is from two years ago. The times they are a changing.....

Good point. Is it possible that they have changed where their watches are assembled? Maybe.

Personally, I don't care if they're assembled in a bathroom at the Hong Kong airport as long as the quality is there. (OK. Maybe not the bathroom, but maybe a small, quiet, clean, out of the way corner of the airport. LOL)
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I have several higher-end Renato timepieces and - so far so good - they have exceptional fit, finish, reliability, and style for the price point. And, that's all good.

However, if you're waiting for clarification from Renato, which I agree you and the rest of us loyal Renato customers (some of whom sport Renato's far and wide and spread good will and positive word-of-mouth about its products) are entitled, I suspect you may be waiting a while.

You see, this isn't the first such controversy involving a purported, major attribute of Renato timepieces. For example, my two-tone T-Rex Diver says "Limited Edition" on the bezel and is supposedly one out of seventy-five that were made. You may recall a certain amount of "confusion" in the past concerning the accuracy/veracity of Renato's claims of LE/LP timepieces. Someone advise me if I missed it, but I don't recall that matter ever being clarified by Renato or DM, on this forum or elsewhere.

The botom line for me, like others have said, as long as Renato keeps producing quality, stylish timepieces for a good price, that stand the test of time and appeal to me, I'll probably continue purchasing them; however, until the above issues are definitively and honestly resolved by Renato once and for all, I will not purchase Renato timepieces based on claims of LE/LP and/or of being Swiss assembled or made, in whole or in part; and, until then, I woudn't feel comfortable recommending them to others based upon such claims.

Thanks Marco for the post. Yes I remember very well the other thread about the LE topic. I was trying to avoid that subject.

For anyone who would like to know, I sent an email not long ago to Renato, to the attention of Mr. Mink himself and asked him to clarify this issue. I will let you know if I find out anything.
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Let's just call it what it is.

It's pretty obvious that we've been led to believe in many questionable claims pertaining to the Renato brand.

Certain facts have clearly been conveniently left out during the presentation process to protect and boost sales.

I have purchased over 50 Renato's the past 4 to 5 years and don't appreciate being lied-to or manipulated either.

That said:

Does that mean Renato watches are not well made? NO!!!

Does that mean Renato watches are poor quality? NO!!!

Does that mean Renato watches are not worth buying? NOT REALLY!!!

Does that mean we all should pay closer attention to the things people say when they have something to sale us? HELL YES!!!

It's really no different than believing what the used car salesman may or may not say...

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Now the negative. Although the watch face has "swiss movt" the country of origin is not specified on the watch or on any of the paperwork. To me this indicates the watch was probably fabricated in China. But for that fact, I would have given this watch a 4-star rating."

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The ShopNBC Team would like to thank you for your valuable feedback! We have confirmed the movement is indeed Swiss, but the watch itself was assembled in China.


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Wait what other brand advertises "This is a Chinese made model"?
NONE- if it is Swiss made- they of course say it- if it is NOT Swiss made- NO ONE really goes into where they are made- and we all KNOW it is probably China.
So we expect Mr Mink to tell us they are made in China when no one else does?
Where are Invicta's made that are not Switzerland? Uhh lets guess.

The Chinese own all of our debt= at the very least we can buy their watches!
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Wait what other brand advertises "This is a Chinese made model"?
NONE- if it is Swiss made- they of course say it- if it is NOT Swiss made- NO ONE really goes into where they are made- and we all KNOW it is probably China.
So we expect Mr Mink to tell us they are made in China when no one else does?
Where are Invicta's made that are not Switzerland? Uhh lets guess.

The Chinese own all of our debt= at the very least we can buy their watches!

To be silent about where a watch is assembled if it is not Swiss made is one thing...and is acceptable. (because we can guess the country of origin)

BUT to say watches are assembled in Switzerland IF THEY ARE NOT assembled there is entirely a different matter, and H*LL YES I would like a clarification on that point! (that is, if the company wants to keep me as a loyal customer)
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Re: SNBC says the T-Rex Diver is made in China...

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Timex automatics use Seagull movements and state the fact that the movement is from China clearly on the exhibition backs crystal.

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Postby Watch Noob » March 28th 2010, 4:29am

lol, if you refer to my point yesterday in the thread that came over from Geeks who posted "Never again Invicta", those steps were followed almost to a tee in this thread from WG. You can read these guys like a book.

Here's a hint for the poor lost bunnies. If you are watching a show on Shop and the watch is assembled in Switzerland, you will hear about it non stop. If it is not, the subject will be avoided like your pedophilic brother-in-law at a family reunion.
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Postby Datsun240Z71 » March 28th 2010, 5:14am

There were so many great quotes in that thread, there's really no where to start or end.

I really like the fact that they could be made in Cleveland or the "restroom at the Hong Kong airport" and that's okay for all the geek reasons you can imagine, and then some.

Reason, rationalization and right-and-wrong have no bearing on the discussion for most posters.

As someone stated, "the truth is elusive".

Seems to apply to most of the TV brands.
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Postby Ditchdoc » March 28th 2010, 10:53am

I don't have anything against some of the quality chinese movements. I am a bit skeptical because in the past, chinese equaled junk.

I do however like to be an informed consumer. Why the hell is it so difficult for certian watch companies to shoot straight with you? To tell the truth about the origin and manufactureing of their watches? I would probably still buy but when I find out this information on the fora when the companies have ommited or been less than honest about their product, of course it raises more and more red flags and makes me just want to stay away all together.
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At least they are hand made in China? Right?
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hijacque aleart.....

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Postby biglove » September 5th 2015, 7:05am

I stopped when I got to the post where some buffoon said, "I spent 13k on shop last year..."

Dumbass could have bought 1-5 very nice, well made, timeless watches with that kind of cash. Who admits to that level of stupidity?
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Wow. Another stroll down Mendacity Lane.

That being noted, and I always try to be fair when reading stuff from WG: What a bunch of fucking morons.
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Postby Watch Noob » September 5th 2015, 10:33am

I vote this guy for Watch Geek of the year:

Wait what other brand advertises "This is a Chinese made model"?
NONE- if it is Swiss made- they of course say it- if it is NOT Swiss made- NO ONE really goes into where they are made- and we all KNOW it is probably China.
So we expect Mr Mink to tell us they are made in China when no one else does?
Where are Invicta's made that are not Switzerland? Uhh lets guess.

The Chinese own all of our debt= at the very least we can buy their watches!


Here's a clue, if you're buying a watch off TV, it's probably not quality. Having said that my wife purchased a T-Rex for me for my birthday years back that I need to replace the battery on. I think I have like 6 watches that need a battery change :cry:
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